anyone thinking of going malone stage 4?

2011tdiproject · Jan 2, 2017

I was just randomly checking the malone tuning site & they're coming out with a new turbo kit for these cars. I have to give them credit, right at the time when everyone is submitting to the government & buybacks, malone steps it up. My question here is how many people are considering this? A stage 4 tdi would be impossible to duplicate or beat as far as mpg & performance combined. 240whp & 50 mpg.

calimustang · Jan 2, 2017

You have DSG or 6MT?

2011tdiproject · Jan 3, 2017

Mine is a manual. I was just thinking if vw would give me the $ for their "fix" & then I went stage 4, that'd sure be one way I'd keep the car.

sriracha · Jan 3, 2017

I'm of the same sentiment. Get the fix, then use the compensation money to upgrade to a CP3 HPFP and potentially a stage 4 emissions compliant tune.

I'm pretty happy with the stock torque, I would imagine that a stage 4 tune would be a hot hatch! A GTI killer? Would be quite the sleeper.

calimustang · Jan 4, 2017

I have DSG and have been wishy-washy about stage 3 or 3.5 or 4. I just had CP3 installed last week and wow day and night difference.

2literv8eater · Jan 4, 2017

calimustang said:
I have DSG and have been wishy-washy about stage 3 or 3.5 or 4. I just had CP3 installed last week and wow day and night difference.

Can you give more details on the CP3 differences.

I'm at stage 3.5, CP3 is next, then clutch and then possibly a stage 4 with the bigger turbo option. This one is not going back to VW.

calimustang · Jan 4, 2017

So far I can hear more clacking noises much more noticeable, 1-3 mpg better so far for 500 miles driven in a week now, more responsive to gas pedal tap. it pulls much harder at WOT. much quicker to crank her up, old pump it cranks 1-3 seconds. new one, not even a second. very effortlessly to crank her up.

Mines not going back to VW either haha

2literv8eater said:
Can you give more details on the CP3 differences.
I'm at stage 3.5, CP3 is next, then clutch and then possibly a stage 4 with the bigger turbo option. This one is not going back to VW.

travis45 · Jan 12, 2017

Yeah, so when is going to be for sale.?

Owain@malonetuning · Jan 13, 2017

We're working on a turbo kit

calimustang · Jan 14, 2017

Interesting project....

turbobrick240 · Jan 14, 2017

I see the malone stage four cast ss gtb exhaust manifold for sale on fixmyvw. gtb turbos as well. That photo looks like a 2.5 5 cyl. gasser to me.

Owain@malonetuning · Jan 14, 2017

The turbo I placed on the valve cover is not for that car

kit is well under way.

VR6 with some bolt ons.

turbobrick240 · Jan 14, 2017

Ah, just a pretty backdrop...turbo section looks nice! I'm going to grab one or two of those sweet cast manifolds very soon.

amstel78 · Jan 16, 2017

With a stage II, the DMF was already complaining during low RPM, peak torque moments. I'd hate to see what a stage IV would do to the factory setup. Definitely need an SMF and a heavy duty clutch, perhaps a Southbend unit, if you're going to go that route.

gmcjetpilot · Jan 16, 2017

Sorry to steal thread but I have a stock car, it is never going back to VW,
fix or no fix. I am not going to modify it until 120K. At my current millage
and driving distances I will get to 120 in about two years, about the time
the "fix is in" or not in.

At that point if I keep it I will put the better HPFP and will install some
tune. I have DSG.

Anyone care to explain Malone Stage, 1, 2, 3.... and upgraded turbo.
I want to replace the turbo just for reliability. Might as well go with a
better one (suggestions)?

amstel78 · Jan 17, 2017

gmcjetpilot said:
Anyone care to explain Malone Stage, 1, 2, 3.... and upgraded turbo.
I want to replace the turbo just for reliability. Might as well go with a
better one (suggestions)?

Google is your friend.

https://malonetuning.com/ecu-tuning/audi-volkswagen/tdi/20l-cr-tdi

Most have gone with a CR170 or CR190 (different manifold I believe) turbo on their stage 2+ builds.

Les from DD was selling brand new CR170 turbos last year (before the buyback became common knowledge) for a ridiculous price. I almost jumped on it then but glad I waited.

radoroc · Jan 17, 2017

The stage 4 kit was supposed to be released in the summer of 2015. It was put on hold because of dieselgate.

Rhino1829 · Jan 19, 2017

amstel78 said:
With a stage II, the DMF was already complaining during low RPM, peak torque moments. I'd hate to see what a stage IV would do to the factory setup. Definitely need an SMF and a heavy duty clutch, perhaps a Southbend unit, if you're going to go that route.

Let's just say a gtb2060vklr didn't make the dmf very happy at all. I had to be gentle when I had my setup installed prior to the Southbend smf & clutch.

amstel78 · Jan 20, 2017

Rhino1829 said:
Let's just say a gtb2060vklr didn't make the dmf very happy at all. I had to be gentle when I had my setup installed prior to the Southbend smf & clutch.

Neato! Do you have any dyno numbers?

Rhino1829 · Jan 20, 2017

Not yet. Was waiting on clutch break in and last week had a lsd installed so hopefully in a few weeks or so I'll be looking to get it on a dyno and see what she puts down.

gmcjetpilot · Jan 23, 2017

amstel78 said:
Google is your friend.

https://malonetuning.com/ecu-tuning/audi-volkswagen/tdi/20l-cr-tdi

Most have gone with a CR170 or CR190 (different manifold I believe) turbo on their stage 2+ builds.

Les from DD was selling brand new CR170 turbos last year (before the buyback became common knowledge) for a ridiculous price. I almost jumped on it then but glad I waited.

Thanks, I saw that and wrote Malone, as well as saw Rawtek website. I am thinking keeping it stock, with Malone 0.5 tune ($500). Stage 1 or greater requires DSG tune (another $500), then there is the exhaust modification hardware. On top of that is the CR170 kit.... it is getting real expensive. Parts and tune 3 grand plus labor if I don't DIY it.... I want more efficiency and reliability, not as much power. I do plan on replacing the HPFP with a CP3 and new Turbo when I hit 120K.

turbobrick240 · Jan 23, 2017

The parts /tune for my stage 3 setup were about $2000. cr170 kit-$950, buzzken downpipe/midpipe- $500, Malone tune-$550.

Owain@malonetuning · Jan 23, 2017

You can run a stage 2 tune on the stock exhaust, we just make cars with deletes slightly more aggressive.

CR190 isn't really worth it over a CR170, clutch upgrade is definitely recommended for anything past a CR170 and even some customers with stage 3.5 tunes see issues with the DMF. There's some quality control problems with the stock clutches, we see flywheel shudder on stage 2 tunes on a very small percentage of vehicles (maybe 2-3 tops). Best to go to a high end aftermarket unit for any serious performance kits.

fixmyvw does the CR170 kit for 2G and can rent the tool for DSG tuning. DSG tunes really transform the car, bit of a PITA that they're essentially required on pre 2015 CRs though.

amstel78 · Jan 23, 2017

Owain@malonetuning said:
There's some quality control problems with the stock clutches, we see flywheel shudder on stage 2 tunes on a very small percentage of vehicles (maybe 2-3 tops).

I guess I was one of the few. Had DMF shudder at low RPM, peak torque points during the acceleration. Usually only happened when the ambient air temperature dropped and the motor made a few more ponies due to cold, dense air.

stevenzigila · Dec 29, 2020

Anybody with a DSG gone stage 4 with the Malone Turbo? Which turbo and how did you like it? Should I be afraid of reliability issues with going stage 4, or will I absolutely love it?

Bentiem · Jul 1, 2021

I'm looking at one as well. Any buyers experience here?

anyone thinking of going malone stage 4?

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