vw jetta tdi 2014 will crank but not start

skiaspeblu

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2014 vw jetta tdi
During repair, ecm cover was accidently touched with battery plus. Since that car will crank but not start. Also if key stays on in the car after trial to start radiator fan start
in high speed. Car was checked . All fuses ok, all relays ok. I scanned with VAG and received the following info
17-Instruments -- Status: MalfunctioVCDS Version: Release 12.12.0
Data version: 20130910

Wednesday,04,January,2017,08:29:38:62939

Chassis Type: AJ (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 44 56 77

VIN: 3VWWL7AJXEM414387

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 1110
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
n 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010

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Address 01: Engine
Cannot be reached

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: None
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BM HW: 1K0 907 379 BM
Component: ESP MK60EC1 H46 0164
Revision: 00H46001
Coding: A14B400C492300FE850E02EC92200042A1100010
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 7EF31873E902AEEEE6F-802B

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 251
Mileage: 60169 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:08:27

Freeze Frame:
Count: 2
Count: 0
Count: 20992
Count: 8194
Count: 40704
Count: 0
Count: 259
Count: 0


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Address 08: Auto HVAC
Cannot be reached

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 5C0 937 087 J HW: 5C0 937 087 A
Component: BCM25 JLB H3 H34 0411
Revision: B2034001 Serial number: 08013023140328
Coding: 7B994B9A08230F0008382000240884C50082502E60000000300010002000
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3467FA5B97CEB4BE40B-8061

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AN HW: 6R0 959 801 AN Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
Component: J386__TSG_FT 006 5461
Coding: 820000

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AS HW: 6R0 959 802 AS Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
Component: J387__TSG_BT 006 5461
Coding: 820000

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 591 HW: 5K0 959 591
Component: J245 PS41.022 H10 0007
Coding: 180000

Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 C HW: 5K0 959 542 C
Component: E221__MFL-TAS H31 0037
Coding: 020000

Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 M HW: 6R0 959 811 M
Component: J388__TSG_HL 006 5460
Coding: 800000

Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 M HW: 6R0 959 812 M
Component: J389__TSG_HR 006 5460
Coding: 800000

2 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 35
Mileage: 60169 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:12:25

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 35
Mileage: 60169 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:11:25


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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 AD HW: 5C0 959 655 AD
Component: AirbagVW10 102 0912
Serial number: 003MVD037H3D
Coding: 00004138
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07027
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 001026
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360_VW01.rod
VCID: 74E73A5BDF4EF4BE80B-8021

Seat occupied recognition:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5C6 959 339 B HW: 5C6 959 339 B
Component: BF-Gewichtss. H10 0046
Serial number: 6940000Y1400011J7T0T
Coding: 303053

Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354 HW: 5K0 959 354
Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V H02 ----
Serial number: 3572MSME42124E40ZZZO

Crash sensor for side airbag; passenger side:
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354 HW: 5K0 959 354
Component: S.Sens.Beif.V H02 ----
Serial number: 3582MSME4D041D41ZZZY

Crash sensor for side airbag; rear driver side:
Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A HW: 5K0 959 351 A
Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H H02 ----
Serial number: 3516KSME0F4F3D2AZZZ8

Crash sensor for side airbag; rear passenger side:
Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A HW: 5K0 959 351 A
Component: S.Sens.Beif.H H02 ----
Serial number: 3526KSME40681429ZZZO

Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side:
Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A HW: 5K0 959 659 A
Component: F.Sens.Fahr H02 ----
Serial number: 3556LSME5B3B7924ZZZ3

Crash sensor for front airbag; passenger side:
Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A HW: 5K0 959 659 A
Component: F.Sens.Beif H02 ----
Serial number: 3566LSME61144F2AZZZ

3 Faults Found:
9442836 - Front Passenger's Airbag Disabled Indicator Lamp
B1016 14 [137] - Open or Short to Ground
MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 60169 km
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:00:16

13635840 - Supply voltage
U1011 00 [008] - Voltage too Low
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 36
Mileage: 60169 km
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:11:47

9483264 - Seat Occupied Recognition
B10B4 00 [008] - Function Restriction due to Undervoltage
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 36
Mileage: 60169 km
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:11:03


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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 5C6 920 853 A HW: 5C6 920 853 A
Component: KOMBI H04 0809
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 370E00
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07027
ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE35.rod
VCID: 2A5BE4234D0AF24EEA7-807F

2 Faults Found:
12648448 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s)
U1111 00 [009] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 9
Reset counter: 251
Mileage: 60169 km
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:08:27

13635840 - Supply voltage
U1011 00 [008] - Voltage too Low
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 36
Mileage: 60169 km
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:11:25


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
Part No SW: 6N0 909 901 HW: 5C0 937 087 A
Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H34 0411
Revision: B2034001
Coding: 102200
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: F0EFB64B2356489EE43-80A5

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 11
Reset counter: 251
Mileage: 60169 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:08:27

01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 251
Mileage: 60169 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:00:00


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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234
Component: IMMO H04 0809
Serial number:
Coding: 000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VN35.rod
VCID: EADBA4230D8AB24EAA7-80BF

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3
Cannot be reached

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K0 909 144 R
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70 3501
Revision: 00H22000
Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
VCID: 3979CB6F70AC49D693D-806C

2 Faults Found:
03803 - Steering Angle Sensor for Steering Aid
000 - - - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 60169 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:08:26

Freeze Frame:
Battery Volts: 11.6 V
DU
Temperature: 12.0°C
Count: 2
Steering Angle: 0.00°
Count: 0
SteerAng n.Init

01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 251
Mileage: 60169 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:08:27

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.50 V
DU
Temperature: 12.0°C
RPM: 1498 /min
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Count: 0


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Address 56: Radio (J503) Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 035 164 D HW: 1K0 035 164 D
Component: LOW NAR H03 0006
Revision: -----07S Serial number: VWZ4Z6P3723070
Coding: 01000400020006
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 2345090722202306A91-8076

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 36
Mileage: 60169 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:12:31


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Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels: None
Part No SW: 5N0 035 729 A HW: 5N0 035 729 A
Component: TELEFON H05 0592
Revision: 1B001001 Serial number: 00007665454899
Coding: 0310030080010110
Shop #: WSC 47290 001 1048576
ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVUMI 001007
ROD: EV_UHVUMI_VW25.rod
VCID: 2E53E83371E29E6E36F-807B

2 Faults Found:
13635840 - Supply voltage
U1011 00 [008] - Voltage too Low
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 36
Mileage: 60169 km
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:11:18

13893632 - Function Restricted due to Insufficient Voltage
U1400 00 [008] - -
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 36
Mileage: 60169 km
Date: 2023.14.01
Time: 00:11:18


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Just wonder if anybody experienced such case like that. Since that ecm will not communicate either. From autoscan probably could be concluded that abs module and power steering assisted module gone, not sure about can gateway j533 and also ecm module gone. I like to have second opinion before I will replace those parts which take lots of effort to change.

I will appreciate any help
 

VeeDubTDI

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Oops. :eek:

I think you fried your ECU. No communication with several modules, including the engine. If the car can't communicate with the engine computer, it isn't going to run.
 

PB_NB

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Might be one of those little ground wires got smoked when the battery current shorted out. Check the continuity between the ground and connectors to the ECU and other controllers.

VW typically uses brown casing on the ground wires so you should be able to find them as they go into the connectors.

Hopefully you can find something shorted in the wires and repair them.
 

skiaspeblu

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2014 vw jetta tdi
I did not programme key yet to used ecu however I was told that if everything ok car will start for couple seconds and shut off showing immobilizer light on cluster display
 

pdq import repair

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You shouldn't need to program keys to just communicate with the ECU. If it works it will start and dies without key recognition. It does sound more like a voltage supply issue to the ECU, or missing ground.
Low B+ errors can simply be caused by battery disconnection or running low. Erase all codes and make sure battery voltage is good and retest.
Check all fuses in the car. I use a test light, not just visually, and check them in place for power on both sides. Most of them will have power on both sides with the key on, except for lighting fuses for instance, but you turn on the lights they will.
Another trick is to take any module that doesn't communicate and unplug them one at a time and check to see if the others come on line after unplugging one. I have seen the CAN system get pulled down entirely by a bad module even though that shouldn't happen. The first module I unplug is the ABS controller as failure rate is high.
If still no communication with ECU, start testing at the ECU connector plugs for proper power and grounds. Grounds are terminals 1 through 6 on the 94 pin plug, they will all be brown. Terminal 92 red/blk should be 12v constant. All gleaned by a quick glance at the diagram so don't quote me. If you need more help with that let me know.
You should hear, and/or feel the voltage supply relay come on when the ignition is switched on. It is the one in the underhood fuse panel B.
 

skiaspeblu

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2014 vw jetta tdi
Thanks pdq import repair for productive valuable info . I got myself electrical diagrams manual from vw and spend quite time to get familiar with that. I already did some checks including grounds for ecu, power . Definitely need more checks. I checked all fuses relays . They seems to work ok. However I will do it again.

I got couple issues with car after crash grounded computer cover (made from metal and unprotected I think big tip for vw producer for redesign and safer location of computer) with battery plus.

Radiator fan comes on high speed after trial of start, glow plug coil light not coming on cluster when you put keys into ignition as well no communication with ecu .abs steering assist and j533 interface module. The project sounds challenging and very educating.

Thanks again for any tips in solving the problem.
 

pdq import repair

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After rereading and thinking I am leaning more to the J533 issues as a serious problem. The fan may be an issue from lack of communication to climatronic. The engine computer communicates only across the CAN, as does the cluster and respective lights. ABS likewise is definitely CAN based too.

Hopefully the CAN gateway is the issue as it would be relatively cheap and probably pretty readily gotten used even.

However the ABS controllers are very well known to be fragile, but they are rebuildable if needed. I use Module Master for that. I would try isolating the ABS first as I mentioned to see if the CAN might come alive.

Failing that, isolate the ECU and see if CAN happens. And so on....
 

skiaspeblu

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CAN gateway j533 looks not seperated module for vw jetta 2014 tdi. I was looking all over under dashboard could not find it. Looks like it is integrated with bcm module j519. I guess I have to keep looking
 

skiaspeblu

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Thanks pdq import repair for advise . I still did not solve the problem with my car. I disconnected ecm, hook up vag. Only shows that ecm not connected. The same thing with abs. I am little confuse because if can bus will not communicate there should be red light on the cable, in my case is green on when doing .

I got used j301 climatronic controller installed temporary, little different from original( original # 5c0820047 bn ,used one 5c0820047 bd -diffirence : my has switches for seats; used one does not), i did not adopt it (should be no matter if i want to check if controller communicate or not).

I also found that gateway controller j533 is integrated with bcm ) as my vw jetta tdi is simple regular model

Any more tips could be helpful.
 
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