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Old May 3rd, 2010, 15:32   #1
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New to diesels, VW and TDI's. Now own a 2005.5 Jetta TDI coming due to (my) first oil change. Have read a bit on this forum and was considering ordering a change kit involving Total Quartz Ineo MC3 5w30, a Mann filter, and a drain plug. If I buy two and ship to my home it will cost about $54 (each) less if I order more, because shipping per kit would be less. The VW dealer I contacted is doing it for $70 +tax. give or take $20 for labor. Anyone got a better (read cheaper) way to do a proper oil change, with the right stuff for less? I'm not sure 20 bucks is worth the hassle.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 16:17   #2
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I would agree with you that $20 doesn't justify the hassle....oil change plus clean-up plus associated nosing around takes me about an hour, and my time is worth a lot more than $20/hr. But for most of us its not about saving money, its about knowing the job was done right and maintaining some involvement with the guts of our cars. If that doesn't describe you, then paying to have it done makes perfect sense.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 16:55   #3
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New to diesels, VW and TDI's. Now own a 2005.5 Jetta TDI coming due to (my) first oil change. Have read a bit on this forum and was considering ordering a change kit involving Total Quartz Ineo MC3 5w30, a Mann filter, and a drain plug. If I buy two and ship to my home it will cost about $54 (each) less if I order more, because shipping per kit would be less. The VW dealer I contacted is doing it for $70 +tax. give or take $20 for labor. Anyone got a better (read cheaper) way to do a proper oil change, with the right stuff for less? I'm not sure 20 bucks is worth the hassle.
While what you are saying makes sense, I think it really depends on your time horizon.

So for example, you can get stuff shipped given a certain $ amount. Indeed I have gotten 10 pack Mann filters @ 4.50 per shipped.

Depending on whom you talk with, the recommendation can range from
1. change drain plug and washer
2. just the washer
3. re-use the washer and drain plug.
4. I have never had it off. I use an evacuation unit. 2 you may have heard 1. Pela 2. Mity Vac

Agains same thing for oil. Some will include shipping. I am sure the Total Ineo MC3 5w30 is VW 505.01?, PD engine.

There are threads that talk of using Mobil One 5w40 which is not PD specified but almost all acknowledge, it is one of the great oils for your PD engine, albeit not specified for the PD. It gives great bang for the buck. Another grey area is that 5w30 oils are really not good for your PD despite it being the new back ward compatible specification (among other things 45 to 75 % greater wear).

So for example, you can use any one of three Mobil One oils from your local Pep Boys 1. Mobil One 5w40 TDT 2. Mobil One ESP 5w30 VW 507.00 3. Mobil One ESP 5w40 MB 229.51. Two utilities here 1. locally available 2 not a lot of stock sitting on your shelf (think of a L of oil as a $10 dollar bill sitting on a shelf by how many L's) disadvantage 1 pay local taxation.

I use Mobil One 5w40 in a 03 TDI and have for 130,000 miles @ 20-25k OCI's. (1. better protection overall, 2.cheaper 3. no need for low saps)

I also use Total INEO 5w30 VW 507.00 because of warranty compliance. Afterwords, I will most likely switch to the Mobil One ESP 5w40 MB 229.51 specification.

All the best let us know what you decide.

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Old May 3rd, 2010, 18:31   #4
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Just make sure that whoever will be doing the service work has more than just half a clue........or you'll be sorry sooner or later.
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Old May 4th, 2010, 05:49   #5
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Do not use a 5w30, use a 5w40 oil. I like Mobil-1 Turbo Diesel Truck oil but I don't believe in my owner's manual.
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Old May 5th, 2010, 18:13   #6
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Thank you to all with advice. I have ordered a filter pack and will make a couple of more passes through the (never ending ) debate over " 505/01 complaint vs 505.01 equivalent or better". Stopped by Wally World today to see what was on the shelf and saw a lot of "almost" 505.01, just not on the label. Probably will do the Mobil 1 5w40 diesel truck product from WW unless I find Pep Boys either cheaper or carrying a true "505.01" at a reasonable price.
Looking forward to my first foray into basic Jetta TDI maintenance. Any suggestions appreciated!!
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Old May 6th, 2010, 08:15   #7
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If 505.01 is not on the bottle it's not a suitable oil.

The fact you only change it every 10K miles is what makes it "cheap."
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Old May 6th, 2010, 08:21   #8
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The question is, is he changing it every 5K or every 10K?

I would recomend switching to M1 Turbo Diesel Truck and running 15K changes if he wants to lower his cost per mile in respect to oil changes.

Pull a sample at 15K and the odds are that he will safely be able to run 20K with a VERY nice reserve in respect to oil condition.

These cars were never meant to have the oil changed at 10K intervals much less every 5K. VW intended to be able to drive to as much as 30K (50,000 km) between oil and filter changes.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 08:44   #9
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proof from VW? other than an usuers UOA.
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The question is, is he changing it every 5K or every 10K?

I would recomend switching to M1 Turbo Diesel Truck and running 15K changes if he wants to lower his cost per mile in respect to oil changes.

Pull a sample at 15K and the odds are that he will safely be able to run 20K with a VERY nice reserve in respect to oil condition.

These cars were never meant to have the oil changed at 10K intervals much less every 5K. VW intended to be able to drive to as much as 30K (50,000 km) between oil and filter changes.
Yeah but the countries where they do that, they have far better quality fuel.

However it's nice we agree that TDT is good in a PD.
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Just make sure that whoever will be doing the service work has more than just half a clue........or you'll be sorry sooner or later.
ditto- the dealers oftentimes still don't know what oil is called for
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These cars were never meant to have the oil changed at 10K intervals much less every 5K. VW intended to be able to drive to as much as 30K (50,000 km) between oil and filter changes.
Still, VW needs to go green that's why they can't encourage to change the oil more often. Seems like 10k intervals fro some PDs running poor quality american diesel fuel or biodiesel is blasting
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The question is, is he changing it every 5K or every 10K?

I would recomend switching to M1 Turbo Diesel Truck and running 15K changes if he wants to lower his cost per mile in respect to oil changes.

Pull a sample at 15K and the odds are that he will safely be able to run 20K with a VERY nice reserve in respect to oil condition.

These cars were never meant to have the oil changed at 10K intervals much less every 5K. VW intended to be able to drive to as much as 30K (50,000 km) between oil and filter changes.
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Couldn't have said it better. Run M1 TDT anywhere from 15-20K miles, rinse and repeat. Drive more worry less; my PD is purring along just fine close 130K miles, and chipped (RC1+). Great oil for the price, found almost everywhere. You won't be sorry.
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my PD is purring along just fine close 130K miles, and chipped (RC1+).
With by-pass filtration, right?
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Yeah but the countries where they do that, they have far better quality fuel.

However it's nice we agree that TDT is good in a PD.
US Spec fuel is now on par with other countries except for fuel lubricity which a seperate and easily remedied issue.

US Spec fuel is generally less than 10ppm sulfur translating into EXTREMELY clean burning diesels in a proper state of tune.

The PD engines since the injectors are partially lubricated with engine oil have a nice advantage in respect to durability especially if you additize the fuel side of the pump.
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