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VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) Discussion area for the 2012+ Passat TDI (North American and rest of world versions versions). The North American model was previously codenamed NMS (New Midsize Sedan) and the version the rest of the world gets is sometimes referred to as B7.

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Old June 2nd, 2012, 21:57   #16
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Jason and I met up with Coffeemade tonight and got some excellent comparison shots of our stock lights compared to his with the HID retrofit. I have to say - I'm very impressed with the results! I have traditionally been anti-retrofit when it comes to HIDs, but this particular setup is something that Jason and I are both very seriously considering.

Interesting observations:
  • Beam cutoff is more defined on the halogen lights, but the cutoff is still acceptable with the HIDs.
  • Traditional HID retrofit scatter is nearly nonexistent.
  • Color temperature and light output are incredible compared to the halogen lights.
  • Oncoming intensity has increased proportionately with light output. The focus is good enough to prevent blinding - at least in my opinion while viewing from several oncoming positions.
  • Beam pattern on the road in front of you appears to be excellent - as good or better than the stock lights.

I have a lot of pictures to go through, so I probably won't have them up until tomorrow.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 06:40   #17
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Hate to ask the question again but can this kit help make the OEM chinese lights and/or the aftermarket LED/HID lights work?
No because this is a simple install while the chinese light are a complete replacement and need to wired correctly and coded properly. I still haven't pulled out the VAGCOM once to do anything with these lights

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I have to say - I'm very impressed with the results! I have traditionally been anti-retrofit when it comes to HIDs, but this particular setup is something that Jason and I are both very seriously considering.
Yeah it was nice meeting up with you guys. I really hope you guys have luck on the Chinese LED tail lights. I still can't mentally get over the inside lights not being reverse....

So I updated my G+ gallery located here

I know you have many more that me but here are a couple:

Stopped on a hill just before I met up with VeeDubTDI and Jason


Driving down the road side by side (HID kit on left and factory H7 on right:







The stock H7 is on the left in the photo and the HID is on the right.


So these are basically all the photos I got, I wish I hadn't quit but I know Lawson and Jasen had better camera skillz than me.

I will be updating my build page with some of these same photos and hopefully I get my coilovers in this week :-) click here for the build link.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 08:43   #18
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Just a FYI, I used to carry around big old LiIon battery packs and HID lights for night riding trails on my mountain bikes at night. About 3 years ago, HID's, at least for our applications, became outdated, everyone switched over to LED's, which are lighter, more durable, last more than 1000 starts before the ballast burns out on you, etc.

Just saying... One day, don't know when, but Cree or Osram will come up with a kickarse LED system that will make these obsolete... if history repeats itself.

Have to say, though, the results look good.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 09:43   #19
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Here are some of the pictures I got:





Note that both cars have the same scatter up high on the wall, the HIDs are just brighter:







I didn't expect to like these when I first read about the retrofit. They are not perfect... but the pattern is better than most of the mis-aimed, clouded over headlights on a lot of cars around here. At $100 I think I will get one of the 4300k kits to try

http://uspmotorsports.com/product_in...roducts_id=632

I think this kit works so well because the H7 lamp is laid out along the same plane as the HID lamp:



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Old June 3rd, 2012, 10:03   #20
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Couple more pictures.

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Old June 3rd, 2012, 10:13   #21
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Is the 4300K more pure white in color, sun colored? What's the Kelvin factor on the stock headlights?
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4300 is closer to the halogen color.

http://www.mediacollege.com/lighting...mperature.html
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So 6000k is just a slight blue tinge then. Thanks.
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That is a pretty darn good cutoff line.

Some reflectors seem to work OK with HID bulbs, others don't - this seems to be one that does.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 14:34   #25
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Post #19: photo 3 is OEM, photo 4 is HID.
Hid cutoff lookd higher than OEM. Also, the "oncoming" shot in photo 5, the HID is fuzzier, and looks brighter/higher.

Would the HID install benefit from aiming them lower? I know, from the factory, mine were high and I adjusted them down.

Just wondering.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 16:06   #26
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The cutoff is about in the same spot. What you are seeing is the scatter, both lights are aimed at about the same height, and the "scatter box" is about the same too. It's just easier to see on the HID lights.

In the oncoming shot the HID looks a bit fuzzier because the scatter light is brighter. The picture makes it look worse than it is.

Headlights are so hard to take pictures of, this is no exception. If you squint at the picture to knock down some of the brightness you can see the hotspot is in the same place.

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The cutoff is about in the same spot. What you are seeing is the scatter, both lights are aimed at about the same height, and the "scatter box" is about the same too. It's just easier to see on the HID lights.

In the oncoming shot the HID looks a bit fuzzier because the scatter light is brighter. The picture makes it look worse than it is.

Headlights are so hard to take pictures of, this is no exception. If you squint at the picture to knock down some of the brightness you can see the hotspot is in the same place.

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Did you push "Buy it Now" yet for your set? How much room is there back behind the headlight to do an install, or does the whole front bumper have to come off like on my A4?
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Haven't pressed "Buy it Now" just yet... perhaps tomorrow.
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compu 85: Thanks for the clarification. Now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense that a photo of a light would have issues.

Hmmm...don't press that "Buy it Now" button until you talk to me...maybe you/we can get a discount if you buy 2 sets? I'm seriously considering it...
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