California is cracking down even more on auto emissions.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos...2-01-27/california-air-car-hybrids/52820334/1
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos...2-01-27/california-air-car-hybrids/52820334/1
The state can't force people to buy hybrids or EV. I don't see it happening.The California Air Resources Board on Friday adopted the new rules, which require that one-in-seven of new cars sold in the state in 2025 be an electric or other zero-emission vehicle.
Meh.... not concerned.
The state can't force people to buy hybrids or EVs. I don't see it happening.
Exactly my point Derrel! Are dealerships going to stop selling gassers because the state didn't sell enough EV's?
Just because they pass this B/S doesn't mean it can or will happen.
Are they saying that IF one out of seven new cars are not electric,
then no one can buy a new gas car?
Derrel
What it means is that anyone who wants to buy a Chevy Tahoe, or Camaro, or Cadillac, will have a $10,000 premium tacked on, and will have a "mandatory purchase" of a Tata Nano with a simple electric motor and battery to keep the regulators happy. Doesn't matter how crappy the companion vehicle is, it just has to fulfill the regulations. The Tata will go to the scrap heap immediately and have no resale value, but it will keep the regulators happy that they are doing something.Exactly my point Derrel! Are dealerships going to stop selling gassers because the state didn't sell enough EV's?
SUUUUREEEE THEY ARE! lol
It's nothing more than a law that makes everyone feel good but doesn't mean JACK!
Those solar systems will only be economical with lots of tax credits. Nothing needs to be mandatory in a free market. If solar energy was so economical with out tax credits, folks would be asking for it in their houses. Just like they ask for more insulation, economical natural gas, and efficient windows.I love producing electricity in my back yard that "I" use, if California wants electricity let them make their own!
Build some Nuclear power plants, wind farms, mandate Grid Tie solar systems on all residential houses that apply for building permits (new or old construction) and gradually they will be able to support the power requirements they are going to require.
By the way, my goal is to have a grid tie solar system on our business and home to be completely self sufficient in the next year or two. No batteries required!
Yep, next thing they will say they can force everyone to buy is health insurance or be fined --- oh wait ...... that has already happened . Keep arguing that crazy people are sane. That is always a hoot .Meh.... not concerned.
The state can't force people to buy hybrids or EV. I don't see it happening.
This why the CPR's emissions exemption needs to be repealed and only Federal emissions standards be used nationwide. Allowing the CPR to impose different emission requirements on out-of-state manufacturers is a violation of Sections 8 & 10 of Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution.California is cracking down even more on auto emissions.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos...2-01-27/california-air-car-hybrids/52820334/1
Not everyone: http://killcarb.org/CARB has never proposed limits with a basis in reality. If it were another state that was proposing something as ridiculous as this sounds today, the people of the state would vote it down. In Ca it seems that everyone takes the CARB proposals as gospel and believes that those things will magically appear. I call on several small paint companies in the area that are being forced to offer 0 VOC paints, which are inferior to what they are replacing.
Yea, the Massachusetts experiment has been great (for the people): Pay the $200 fine for NOT buying health insurance and then waiting until you need it to sign up. Then once your treatment is over, cancel the insurance. Last I heard (radio interview with the state's CFO), the state was billions in the hole over this "mandatory" program.Yep, next thing they will say they can force everyone to buy is health insurance or be fined --- oh wait ...... that has already happened . Keep arguing that crazy people are sane. That is always a hoot .
Good luck with that.Having already run the number for average sunlight, kWh production requirements I can hit my target with approx. 9 kWh production capability and a grid tie inverter system.
$5K for the inverter
$20K on the panels
$2K misc mounting costs and wiring.
I hit my break even at 15 years giving me another 10 years of warranty to recover the balance and effectively lock in at a fixed electric cost in today's dollars. If electric costs go up...$$$ in the bank for the next 25 years.
I hedge the bet further by adding one panel a year to get a rotational life on the panels installed. This insures I never face a total replacement cost but a simple rotation of panels and paid for by the over-production of electricity to the grid, in other words the excess power I supply pays for my system up keep and servicing.
If I sell, the new owner gets a place with zero electric costs for the remaining life of the panels or inverter. The warrantied life of the panels runs 25 years with an 80% efficiency warranty and if they rotate in new panels on an annual basis they can continue to pay for the upkeep with the continued over-production of power.
So true...so true...as if energy came from friggin' MAGIC! Let not forget about natural gas used to create energy and the array of environmental issues THAT creates.Finally, where do these morons think the ELECTRICITY comes from?!?!?!?! I laugh at the Nissan Leaf commercial with the gas engines on computers and everything then shows the Leaf implying that its fuel free and environmentally clean! In reallity the comercial is close, Electricity comes from power plants many of which burn fossil fuel to generate electricity and produce more polution than cars do! So every computer or gadget is actually puffing out polution when it is plugged in, just like the Leaf will!!! Also, what happens when someone forgets to plug it in and it dies in the middle of I-10 in SoCal traffic during rush hour? Or in the middle of an intersection or on a train track... These electric only cars are scary and could easily lead to tragic results both environmentally and physically.
That was my first thought, they tried this already and failed at it.Also, this is not the first time CARB has made this type of outrageous demands on automakers... Many of you may not know, care or remember, but many years ago, late 80s or early 90s if I remeber correctly, CARB made another mandate that by XX year XX% of vehicles sold had to be ZERO emission. The only manufacturer than complied was GM with the Saturn EV1!!! It was created solely to meet this stupid CARB regulation. When CARB realized that the technology at the time was not capable of meeting the requirements without WORSE environmental impact they withdrew the regulation and that is why GM killed the EV1, it was a car without a purpose that they lost money on to meet a stupid rule that no longer existed so they discontinued the car, not some stupid oil or GM conspiracy, just decent finiancial and environmental decisions by GM!!!
According to the commercial I saw this week, coal is still our (North America) number one producer of power.So true...so true...as if energy came from friggin' MAGIC! Let not forget about natural gas used to create energy and the array of environmental issues THAT creates.
Whether we like it or not, the strict emission requirement are good for all. I recall ten years ago when
I used to stand at the corner of Broadway and 6th street in downtown Los Angeles.
I would literally breath air full of raw gas fumes. When I recently visited the same area, there are no
such fumes. Moreover, your clothes, specially the shirt collars, do not get dirty.
With clean diesels and hybrids, we should see more clean air as well as reduction in lung diseases.
While I don't care to get into a nonsensical debate on which source of energy American's consume more of, I went to look this up and this graph shows Petroleum, Natural Gas, Coal, Renewables, then Nuclear in descending order of supply sources of energy used in the US.According to the commercial I saw this week, coal is still our (North America) number one producer of power.
What surprises me on that chart is that coal amounts for only 7% of the energy needed for industrial applications. It shows how much the industrial picture has changes since I was a kid. The steel mills used a lot of coal and also polluted a lot of air, land, and water. My first time in Pittsburgh (1975), the moon rose almost blood red due to all the iron ore in the air. Now the mills are all gone and most of the structural steel production has moved overseas.While I don't care to get into a nonsensical debate on which source of energy American's consume more of, I went to look this up and this graph shows Petroleum, Natural Gas, Coal, Renewables, then Nuclear in descending order of supply sources of energy used in the US.
I found it on Wikipedia...so who knows how accurate it is???
Either way, we can agree that energy (used to charge some electric cars) does NOT come from magic. It's likely to come from either burning coal or natural gas...which both have large negative affects on the environment (be it air or water or both).