These post-fix MPG ratings are pretty dismal. I bet when they talk about a 2 MPG drop in fuel economy, they mean 2 MPG drop from the original sticker MPG stats, not the cheated MPG which is better than advertised. The post-fix MPG states are treading into gas territory!
Depending what state you're in, another going rogue strategy might be to take the fix (and the cash) and then simply get a tune and delete everything with some of the money. No more regens, better mpg, and better performance too! Of course you should also do the CP3 HPFP swap.
Why would that matter? So a car driven more on average is going to wear down parts slower than a car that's driven less on average? I must be missing something.
I would tend to agree with this, but since our warranty for the DSG cars doesn't include the transmission at all, how will it cost more? Unless you're talking about the costs associated with the initial emissions modification for DSGs compared to manuals, since it will take longer.....but you said warranty repairs, so me no comprende that either.
Pure conjecture. There is no reason to believe the results won't just be 2mpg lower than what you currently get. These numbers are 2 mpg lower than the sticker when you bought it. Mileage varies due to how you use your vehicle. Yes, a lot of TDI drivers have a driving profile which yields higher than advertised mileage. Some don't, and some are right on the original sticker numbers. At this point, here's no reason to be comparing your actual numbers to the "new" sticker numbers. I'm sure they are calculated in the same fashion as the original numbers. Do you really think they advertised the original mpg numbers low just so you would be surprised? No, they were based on average driver habits and driving conditions. TDI drivers just happen not to be average.
It could be that they found in their durability testing of the fix that the dsg cars were harder on the emissions equipment. Or it could be that they found that the dsg cars in general need more $ in warranty repairs of the systems covered by the extended warranty. Or like you said, it could be to defray some of the added cost of fixing the dsg cars due to the reprogramming of the dsg ecu.
Ahh, someone who actually knows how to think about something like this. Rather than speculating and worse, making decisions based on that speculation, data needs to be collected, many data points, not just one, which is what the "And not after the first tank" comment was getting at. Once you have that data, you can start to analyze it and draw conclusions. Drawing conclusions and making decisions without that data is just not smart, to put it generously.Pure conjecture. There is no reason to believe the results won't just be 2mpg lower than what you currently get. These numbers are 2 mpg lower than the sticker when you bought it. Mileage varies due to how you use your vehicle. Yes, a lot of TDI drivers have a driving profile which yields higher than advertised mileage. Some don't, and some are right on the original sticker numbers. At this point, here's no reason to be comparing your actual numbers to the "new" sticker numbers. I'm sure they are calculated in the same fashion as the original numbers. Do you really think they advertised the original mpg numbers low just so you would be surprised? No, they were based on average driver habits and driving conditions. TDI drivers just happen not to be average.
My pure conjecture is to expect similar, but slightly lower mileage than you currently get.
I have kept detailed records for 135k miles, so I'll have a great comparison to go by once the fix is done. Then we can discuss. And not after the first tank....
All bought back cars with an approved fix are allowed to be fixed by VW and resold. Where, when, if they fix and resell is yet to be determined, but VW doesn't have to crush any cars as long as there is an approved fix, which seems to cover 98% of them in the US now.
VW has not yet received an OK to fix bought back Gen 1 or 2 cars. They are selling bought back Gen 3 cars, as you know. My guess is that the EPA wants to use the repair parts available first in cars that are in use, then will allow cars that have been turned in to be fixed. So that may take a little while.
sure they are, as long as you dont remove or modify any emissions related components its entirely legal.. you are legally allowed to modify your vehicles otherwise.
This should be interesting. What condition will the cars be in or how much work will the dealerships have to put into 2009's for example in order to be worth for them to sell back to the public.
But tunes modify (the programming of) the ECU, and the ECU is most definitely an emissions-related component.
That's right. Exceptions are sometimes made for emergency vehicles like ambulances and fire engines.
From what I understand, any pre-2013 vehicle turned in for buyback is just getting crushed.
I turned in a much cleaner than average 09 Jetta with 78K miles on it. I figured it would get crushed for sure. Well, one of those VIN checking sites placed it in Michigan with 78K miles as of mid June. I figure if they were going to crush it, they would have done it by now.
