1.6 R4 CR TDI CAY* Thread

hatemi

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On a Dyno Dynamics its calculated based on some prior testing done with various drivetrains, engine dyno and stress testing the drivetrains by bolting them to a huge truck engine and blowing them up. The result is a generic guideline that can be used with similar drivetrain types, but it can't tell if the whp is down because of a siezed brake caliber or if the engine is infact producing less power than is expected.

The losses are not a fixed % value. 10% loss is plausible on a 2wd 100kw car, but apply that same 10% on a 500kw car and you would get 50kw that would have to go to friction, heat and noise. Things would melt pretty fast.

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lewo

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Hi guys,

This video is about the last night.

Polo's tune hasn't finised yet, needs fine tuning. A little bit more boost and fuel pressure.

Done by Megachips / Turkey

EP3 has given 242hp on dynodynamics. kpro, filter, cams, headers, exhaust..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgjCUiEhk0

Ryan ; also we got 240 hp on serp dyno with similar setup to yours, with Polo and BW43d (2.0cr 190hp from A4)

If Mehmet (63owen63) sees this post, he can give some more information :)
 
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What turbo on that stripped out Polo?
 

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Probably BV43D from 190 HP CNHA code TDI,
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So literaly the 1.6CR and my 2.0CR are capable of the same power output if installed the same turbo ?
The 1.6CR is surprising me, for the values that i saw on this thread the only difference comparing both is the torque on the same BHP values, great engine i have to say !
 

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Hi,
This will probably land me a divorse, so, here goes.
Thinking of getting some more power from the 1.6l tdi on my A1
The A1 has a slightly smaller turbo than what's available on the golf 6, so tuning is already a little limited.
Anyone knows what turbo upgrades are available for the cay 1.6tdi, and how much the stock internals will take?
Also, will the cr 140 and cr 170 turbos fit? I'd rather fo for a new stock big turbo than for a hybrid or mash up.
If you are for up for a oem bigger version, I strongly advise you to stick with borgwarner's products such as bv40,b43. And I guess we're following eachother on instagram, ( @mehmetguliaytar) should you have any questions, you may text.
 

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First of all , hello and sorry for late post. I've hardly had time to think , especially after kicking N/A tunep3 typer's ass with our 1.6 tdi turbo-upgraded polo. People hereabouts find it hard to believe.
The specs are basically ;
- stock hpfp
-gtb2060vklr
-80 % nozzle injectors
- FMIC- Wagner
- Remap by megachips / Mehmet Gazihan
- And some Megachips' developments
The ep3's specs : kpro, cams,filter,headers, exhaust system : dyno dynamics 246 hp
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgjCUiEhk0
 

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Guys, this man has the fastest Polo 1.6 TDi with oem turbo in Turkey maybe in the world :)

Dont be late to post news bro ;)

Cheers bro, glad to hear that from another fast tdi driver, appreciated. I will do eveything humanly possible to keep posting here about the latest news.
 

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So literaly the 1.6CR and my 2.0CR are capable of the same power output if installed the same turbo ?
The 1.6CR is surprising me, for the values that i saw on this thread the only difference comparing both is the torque on the same BHP values, great engine i have to say !
Injectors,internal parts are not the same, i dont think so
 

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Eff it,
Bit the bullet.
Got a hybrid of the OE turbo cause I want things to look as stock as possible.
New melett Core, 4mm oversize compressor, all in all it's a mild hybrid.
Looking at 1.8bar till 4000-4500rpm.
should be getting 180ish hp on paper.
Turbo is going in today.
I did notice that the turbo outlet flange is tiny and looks like a real restriction.
Looks like it's there to act as a mufler.
Has anybody built and upgrade for it?
 

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Hi all,
Since the famous software update (mandatory !?) my CAYB engine runs in a kind of "safety or idle modus". As 90ps(88hp) was not that much and now snail speed, it's time for a heavy mod. I was thinking of apart from turbo, fmic and sw upgrade also the following part: 81mm bore and pistons of a 2.0TDi.
Also is a better head/cams combo (from 2.0) a solution.
Last question, what are the conrod lengths of 1.6tdi and 2.0tdi.
Thanks,

Philippe
 

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Lol. For your piece of mind, find a 2.0 cr170 engine and wiring harness/ecu put it in, simple tune gives u 210-215 hp all day long. Easier, cheaper, better :)
 

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Thanks Rub,
But I hate long-stroke engines, rods are too short (rodlength/stroke for 1.6tdi =1.71, for 1.4tsi=1.90, for 2.0tdi= ?/95.5 or too small). Stroke of 86.4 would be an option i.c.w. 81.5 bore (Rosten Performance ?).
 

Rub87

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Thanks Rub,
But I hate long-stroke engines, rods are too short (rodlength/stroke for 1.6tdi =1.71, for 1.4tsi=1.90, for 2.0tdi= ?/95.5 or too small). Stroke of 86.4 would be an option i.c.w. 81.5 bore (Rosten Performance ?).
I definatrly dislike more on the 1.6 than one could dislike on 2.0.

Ecu, inj both are cheap and bad. They have not a single anvatage apart from cost over bosch.
Pistons have no bronze bushings in 1.6 tdi
20% displacement, and this torque, u throw away. It works against you in every way if you look at it from a performance point of view.
 

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OK Rub,

You convinced me to change my mind.
Up to a 2.0TDi, but which type? I guess an EA189 (CFJA/B 170/177PS).
 

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1.6 crank in 2.0 engine with custom rods would be nice if you NEED to keep displacement low but why for a road car
 

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Yes Ryan,
We're in the good direction. The question is: what is the conrod length of the 2.0tdi (EA189 = EA288 ?).
With the 1.6 stroke(80.5) and 2.0 bore(81)= 1659cc
Would a crank be available for the 2.0 block with a stroke of 86.4 (forged, billet ....)?
If so it will be a 1.8TDi !!!!! (1.8/20VT rods ?).
Please let me dream..... or maybe it'll become my sport-TDi
 

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The price of a custom crank would make it too crazy to be viable, 1.6, 1.66 or 2.0 are only real options.

2.0 TDi has same rods as 1.9 TDi, 144mm IRC so custom longer rods would be needed in 2.0 'tall' block 1659cc engine
 

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OK Rub,

You convinced me to change my mind.
Up to a 2.0TDi, but which type? I guess an EA189 (CFJA/B 170/177PS).
All of them cr170 will do 210-220 hp out of the box. the are some variations in head design and injector size. the best out of the box engines are the later oval port, they all come with solenoid inj unless you take a biturbo one from amarok or transporter.

most easy and cheap would be CBxx in 170 hp trim. its a round port piezo, or a CFxx which is oval port solenoid. both will drop in. ideall you also take the gearbox/clutch as its better in every way than the 5 speed CAY in terms of torque handling and strength
 

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Have you guys found Injectors for the 2.0 CBEA,CJAA engines yet?
 
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