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Old December 5th, 2004, 20:11   #1
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Default PD-TDI (2004+) Oil Info & Analyses (Post #1 = FAQ)

What are PD oils?
PD = Pumpe Duse or the Unit Injector System found on 2004 model year and later TDIs in North America (2000 model year and later in the EU). PD Oils are oils that have been extensively tested by VW in Wolfsburg and approved for use in PD-TDI engines.

[Note: The owner's manual in many if not all 2004, 2005 & 2006 Golf TDIs (sold in the US) incorrectly specifies 505.00 oil. The engine depicted in the owner's manual is also incorrect - the 1.9L/90hp TDI is pictured, but 2004-2006 Golfs have 1.9L/100hp PD-TDI engines. TSB: page 1, page 2]

The three current VWAG PD-TDI approved specifications are:
[click on the specification number below for the most current list of all oils certified by VW to meet that specification]
  • 505.01 - semi-synthetic, fixed drain interval - 10k OCIs, Aug05 50501 TSB
  • 506.01 - full-synthetic, fuel economy optimizing, extended service interval - up to 31k or 2 year OCIs
  • 507.00 - full-synthetic, low SAPS / diesel particulate filter compatible, fuel economy improving, extended service interval
[Note: to maintain your VWoA warranty, during the warranty period you must adhere to the oil change intervals specified in your owner's manual - even if you choose to use an oil that is capable of extended service intervals (ESI). ESI equipped TDIs come stock with sensors and a dashboard display that tells drivers when to change their oil based on a number of factors. North American TDIs are not yet sold with this ESI sensor/display option - but you can install ESI or FSI (flexible service interval) components yourself. Without an ESI sensor/display, extended oil change intervals should only be attempted after the warranty has expired and with the help of lab used oil analyses.]

Where can I get PD Oils?
Currently, from VW and Audi dealerships and some shops selling Motul, Elf, Pentosin, Quaker State or Lubro-Moly products. Many shops that carry products made by these manufacturers will not stock PD Oils - but may have the ability to special order them for you. The great news is that top-shelf PD Oils are never more than a few mouse clicks away. See the bottom of this post for a partial list of PD Oil Sources.

What's PD Oil Analysis?
Simply put, used oil analysis is where you send a small used oil sample to a lab, the lab analyzes many different factors that determine oil quality, sends you back a report, and by comparing your report to others posted here you can determine a lot about the internal condition of your PD-TDI engine.

How do I change my oil?
There are two common ways of changing the oil in a TDI: from the top using an oil extractor [VIDEO], or via the traditional oil drain method [PDF].

What oil filter should I use?
Using OEM quality oil filters is recommended. Always change the oil and the oil filter together. Never change the filter without changing the oil, and never change the oil without changing the filter. The OEM oil filters used in TDIs since 2000 are designed for up to 31,000 miles of use.

OEM filters are not expensive when purchased directly from the dealer, and are even less expensive when purchased from any number of online TDI parts suppliers.

How often should I change my oil?
VW / Owner's Manual Recommendation = 5k, 10k, 20k, 30k and every 10k miles thereafter. [Note: only the first two OCIs are 5k intervals.] Rest assured, the VW recommended oil change intervals are conservative - i.e. there is no benefit to changing your oil more often than recommended in stock TDIs [Perfomance modified TDIs may benefit from more frequent OCIs, and should use lab oil analysis to determine the vehicle's optimal OCI]. If you're concerned because your oil looks "dirty" (black) immediately after an oil change please click here.

How do I use an Oil Sampling Pump?


[Note: an oil sampling pump is needed for intermediate oil analyses (extracting a sample without changing your oil) and for extracting an uncontaminated sample when changing oil via the topside method. If changing oil via the traditional drain method, you can simply catch a sample of the oil as it is draining.]

If you have had your PD oil analyzed please post your results to this thread so we can include them in this study/spreadsheet. Thanks! This thread can serve as a refence point for PD owners trying to determine if they're in good shape, or if there is something they should be concerned with. Individual results can be compared to the average, compared to results from PDs of similar mileage, and BioD and Petro results can be compared/contrasted.




Data Sheets for oils currently being tested:
Elf Solaris LLX 5w-30 507.00
Elf Evolution CRV 0w-30 506.01
Elf Exellium DID 5w-40 505.01
Motul Specific 5w-40 505.01
Motul Specific 0w-30 506.01
Castrol TXT 5w-40 505.01 [unable to find data sheet]
MSDS - PENTOSYNTH Synthetic OIL 5W-40 (TS) SJ/CF
VOA Comparison (LAP, TBN, Vis.) of all 505.01, 506.01 & 505.00 (M1-T&SUV)



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The image below is just sample of some of the VOA and UOA data spreadsheet that is not updated.
Please click the above link to view the entire updated spreadsheet.
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Here's a "runway" of all the VOA samples, in case anyone wants to select their oil on looks alone




For comparison to UOAs from earlier TDI engines, click here to view TDI UOAs from BITOG

Oil Analysis Kit Sources:
  • Oil Analyzers - [http://www.oaitesting.com/]. With Amsoil Preferred Customer membership, their very thorough testing - including TBN is only $15.20. AndyH is offering the OA kits near preferred pricing for TDIclub members that are not Amsoil members [click here for pricing and details]. Here's Andy's contact information:
Andrew Hecker
Independent AMSOIL Account Direct
9406 Vallecito Pass
San Antonio, TX 78250
www.zamslube.com
1-877-271-7646
210 392-3631
210 521-7635 fax
ahecker@zamslube.com

In Canada:
CAT/Finning - Standard SOS Analysis plus TBN
Soot Conversion Table: CAT # to Soot %


Articles and information regarding VW Oil Specifications
PD Oil Sources

Castrol 505.01
VW Dealers
www.1stvwparts.com, VW Part# G052167A2
www.worldimpex.com, VW Part# G052167A2
www.ecstuning.com, 800.924.5172

ELF 505.01, 506.01 & 507.00
Click here for a listing of NA Retailers and Distributers
www.tdiparts.com - 914.481.6136, sales@tdiparts.com **506.01 & 507.00**
Sabre-Chem, Inc. - 918.587.1555, scott@sabrechem.com
Mountain Products, Co. - 303.770.5767, chriswchap@aol.com
www.ElfUSA.com
http://turbofrogperformance.com - froggy@turbofrogperformance.com **507.00**

Motul 505.01 & 506.01
Click here for a listing of US Retailers and Distributers www.worldimpex.com - 800.736.3550
www.bobbyarchermotorsports.com - 817.877.1772
www.singhmotorwerks.com
www.ltbmotorsports.com
www.northamericanlubricants.com - 800.430.6252
MotorSPOT - 760.731.8303
German Parts & Restoration - 800-321-5432 **506.01**

PentosynthTS 505.01
www.tdiparts.com - 914.481.6136, sales@tdiparts.com

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Old December 6th, 2004, 16:39   #2
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Oil analysis at 10,000 on my PD Passat
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Old December 6th, 2004, 18:04   #3
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Here's my 3... http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/132...34208-0136.pdf

4th one should be done next week.
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Old December 6th, 2004, 18:37   #4
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Tom,

Could you email me a larger version of your oil analysis. I can't read some of the info on the one you posted.

spicy_red,

yours is in kilometers, right?

Thanks,

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yours is in kilometers, right?
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Old December 7th, 2004, 13:42   #6
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I'm not sure what I am really looking at... I see 3 test cycles for a certain oil, but what is this telling me??

(i'm a little slow sometimes)
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Old December 10th, 2004, 18:02   #7
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I just received a copy of eyetdiman's two OilGuard analyses at 5 and 10k. The report layout looks very similar to those I've seen before but it does not test the following:
Ni (Nickel), Ag (Silver), Mn (Manganese), B (Boron), Mg (Magnesium), Ca (Calcium), Ba (Barium), P (Phosphorus), Zn (Zinc), Ti (Titanium) or V (Vanadium)

The advantage of the OilGuard analysis is that it costs as little as $9 (6 pack = $54).

Without an Amsoil membership, the Oil Analyzers test that includes all of these costs $20.20.

Considering the motor oil being tested/compared is only from PD engines, can someone with oil analysis experience please tell us if testing these elements is worth paying $11.20 more than the $9 Oil Guard analysis?

Thanks!
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Old December 11th, 2004, 21:38   #8
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I used Oilguard for about six samples before switching to Oil Analyzers. The OAI test is much more thorough and they are intimately familiar with synthetic oil (no oxydation/nitration issues, or water reports from misreading esters in the oil). They too have analyst comments, web-based retrieval (along with fax, mail, and e-mail delivery). You can e-mail or telephone the analyst and get more info, have samples re-run (free), or provide additional info and have ammended reports prepared. I'm not allowed to post prices on public forums per AMSOIL's rules - but they can be had for less than the $20.20 retail.

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Motul 506.01 is shipping to me today. I will send virgin samples to Oil Analyzers for VOAs on Motul 506.01, Motul 505.01 and Castrol 505.01.

Here's an estimate schedule of OAs I'll be doing:

VOA on all three (Motul 505.01, 506.01 and Castrol): January 2005

5k Castrol 505.01 UOA (change and fill with 506.01)
8073 Golf: January 2005
29650 Jetta: February 2005

5k Intermediate Motul 506.01 UOA*
13073 Golf: April 2005
34650 Jetta: April 2005

10k Motul 506.01 UOA**
18073 Golf: August 2005
39650 Jetta: June 2005

5k Intermediate Motul 505.01 UOA
23073 Golf: December 2005
44650 Jetta: September 2005

10k Motul 505.01 Analysis
28073 Golf: April 2006
49650 Jetta: December 2005

* If the 5k 506.01 UOA does not look good I will drain and replace with 505.01.
** If the 10k 506.01 UOA looks better than the 5k 505.01 UOA, I will keep the 506.01 in until 15k.
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Old December 13th, 2004, 15:27   #10
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I've used AV Lubricants in the past and for $16 they test wear metals, contaminants, additives, and physical analysis.

http://store.avlube.com/oilanalysiskit.html
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here's a link to larger image of tomo366's UOA:
http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/506/133Oil_Analysis001.jpg

i have two others that i received by mail that i'll scan and post shortly.

also, i just recieved a case of Motul 506.01 and a case of Motul 505.01. i plan to do VOAs and UOAs on both, as well as Castrol's 505.01.
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<font color="red"> New Oil Analysis Recommendation </font> - I just received my free sample OA test kits from Blackstone Laboratories (see below) and I did not realize their is an additional $10 fee for TBN, and if you receive the free kit the base cost is $20, so the total OA cost is $30. My new recommendation is Oil Analyzers [http://www.oaitesting.com/]. With Amsoil Preferred Customer membership, their very thorough testing - including TBN is only $15.20. Without Preferred Customer status it's $20.20, but if you know someone that's a current Amsoil Dealer they may be able to get you a free 12 month Preferred Customer membership.

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If you're considering having your oil analyzed, might I suggest Blackstone Laboratories. Their cost is reasonable, every result is personally anaylzed and commented on in a "Comments" section, and they compare your results to all of your previous analyses (unit averages) and they compare your result with all other analyses they have performed on the same make/model/engine (universal averages).

also, if a group of us use one lab that will remove a variable and make our comparisons more meaningful.

i am in no way affiliated with Blackstone, i just looked at copies of analyses from a number of different labs and what Blackstone returns seems very understandable, they use a good organized format, their turnaround is supposedly very fast, and they'll send you the kits for free (no up-front costs). $17 per analysis.
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i prepared the VOA samples today and they'll ship to Oil Analyzers, Inc. tomorrow. here's what the samples look like:
[M6 - Motul 506.01, M5 - Motul 505.01, C5 - Castrol 505.01]:


The 506.01 looks nicer to me

Here are the three containers:


Oh I forgot to add that I spoke with Dan at Oil Analyzers about what we're doing and he pointed out that there are two different TBN tests:

TBN Test: ASTM D2896 [used by manufacturers]
TBN Test: ASTM D4739 [used in UOA, usually produces a TBN thatís about 2 points lower than D2896]

He was basically bracing us for the likelyhood that their TBN results will be slightly lower than those in the manufacturer spec. sheets.

Speaking of spec sheets:
Motul 505.01 Data &amp; VW 505.01 Approval Letter
Motul 506.01 Data Sheet &amp; VW 506.01 Approval Letter

Does anyone have a link to the Castrol 505.01 data sheet?
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What is TBN?
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TBN = Total Base Number

From www.bobistheoilguy.com: TBN generally indicates the acid-neutralizing capacity still in the lubricant.
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