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Old March 3rd, 2019, 16:48   #196
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It's not elemental Li in the batteries. Sort of like how elemental Sodium reacts violently/explosively when exposed to water but NaCl(salt) does not.
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Old March 5th, 2019, 05:05   #197
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All I know is that my 2005 TDI with a psaltry 142k miles on it will last until my Tesla Model Y is made with induction charging gets off someone elseís lease (5-10 years). I can wait, but will!

I thought Volkswagen had the answer with diesels on biodiesel (which I use to this day @ 5-20 percent). But Volkswagen spoiled the diesel waters right about the time that an AMERICAN car company showed me that they were serious about changing the automotive word. Look around. They did! Tesla is the one to beat!
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Old March 5th, 2019, 07:30   #198
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my Tesla Model Y is made with induction charging
For charging while driving on a the road or charging at home? Home inductive charging is actually available now but there's a ~10% efficiency hit. IMO saving a few seconds plugging in isn't worth the additional energy... but it would be nice to not worry about forgetting. Though after awhile plugging in when you get home becomes a reflex.
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Old March 6th, 2019, 05:08   #199
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For charging while driving on a the road or charging at home? Home inductive charging is actually available now but there's a ~10% efficiency hit. IMO saving a few seconds plugging in isn't worth the additional energy... but it would be nice to not worry about forgetting. Though after awhile plugging in when you get home becomes a reflex.
Clearly you don’t park in the street in the city! They’ll have it figured out by the time I sign the papers! Again, I’m willing and ABLE to wait. 10% NOW. Things will improve.
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Old March 7th, 2019, 07:05   #200
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Clearly you don’t park in the street in the city!
Hmmm... that's true. I don't expect the inductive efficiency to improve a whole lot. Steam plants were ~30% efficient 50 years ago... today they're ~33threeee % efficient? So a ~10% improvement? Only so much you can do with the laws of physics. ~90% efficient is probably pretty close to what's physically possibly unless we discover a room temperature super conductor.

I agree that for public and street side charging the 10% hit is probably worth it. Embed the inductive plate in the street and it's safe from vandals and you don't have to worry about the connector being sideswiped.

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Old March 8th, 2019, 04:22   #201
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Well, you aren’t the first to go TDI to Tesla! It’s the logical next step! Charging times are going down, and more chargers are on the way, so I won’t necessarily wait for cordless for every charge, but it’s convenient and the future. Ask Mercedes. Optional on their electric S.

https://www.slashgear.com/mercedes-w...2018-19492021/

Oh, and BMW too...
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...rids-next-year
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So I read this story; Japan, China researchers develop plasma-assisted MnO2 filter that produces zero-NO2, -SO2 diesel exhaust . Couple this with the gains made by Bosch engine controls supposedly able to beat Euro VI limits.

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The question then becomes one of cost, practicality, and longevity . .
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Old March 14th, 2019, 04:45   #204
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And arenít we excited to have all of those early adopters? I see myself going electric in 5-7 years.
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And arenít we excited to have all of those early adopters? I see myself going electric in 5-7 years.
I am probably with you there. There is nothing to get excited about yet. The cars are hugely expensive for what they are and current battery technology just isn't there yet, by a long shot. Infrastructure still needs to be built out as well. I am glad for the early adopters as they are willing to throw large amounts of money at the issue with little regard to anything other than bragging rights really. My current 2015 Beetle tdi stop sale car should last me until the warranty runs out in another 10 years or so. Then I will check on what is available at that time.
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I am glad for the early adopters as they are willing to throw large amounts of money at the issue with little regard to anything other than bragging rights really.

I'm glad for their contribution too. There's no doubt that bragging rights and the cool factor play a role in many EV purchase decisions, but I think the overwhelming majority of early adopters are motivated primarily by a concern for the environment.
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I'm glad for their contribution too. There's no doubt that bragging rights and the cool factor play a role in many EV purchase decisions, but I think the overwhelming majority of early adopters are motivated primarily by a concern for the environment.
While much electricity is produced by burning fossil fuel, I'm not impressed.

My 535d is rated among the best conveyances for CO2 emission environmental impact, and the X5 diesel "passed" the WVa NOx study.

We will see how the premium brands respond with decent driver-centered interior designs and better EV dynamics. It will happen as long as battery tech, IT, and charging infrastructure can keep their promises.

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My 535d is rated among the best conveyances for CO2 emission environmental impact, and the X5 diesel "passed" the WVa NOx study.
I can think of many dozens of vehicles that get better fuel mileage than your 535d. A gasser that gets the same mileage per gallon is emitting less CO2 per mile. I'm sure it's a great car, but it's far from the most efficient.
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While much electricity is produced by burning fossil fuel, I'm not impressed.
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Maybe you'll be impressed knowing that your area's electricity is produced
mainly by burning natural gas - vastly cleaner than diesel internal combustion.
Though not my favorite, nuclear reactors rank second producing 26% in your area.
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Maybe you'll be impressed knowing that your area's electricity is produced
mainly by burning natural gas - vastly cleaner than diesel internal combustion.
Though not my favorite, nuclear reactors rank second producing 26% in your area.
cleaner, yes
more efficient? no
fuel to wheels is still more efficient than fuel to electric to battery to wheels
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