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VW MKIII-A3/B4 TDIs This is a discussion about MKIII-A3/MkIII Jetta/Golf (<99.5) and B4 Passats (96,97) TDI's. Non TDI related postings will be moved or removed.

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Old March 8th, 2019, 08:09   #1
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Default 97 Passat TDI w/blown timing belt, Austin tx.

Well, it's been a great daily driver for the last 7 years. Currently has 266,000miles I had the timing belt done around 230,000 (in 2012) and I'm super pissed that I didn't get at least another 80,000 miles out it.

What's the value of a 97 Passat TDI in Austin, Tx? I don't expect much but I can't see spending what it would take to repair it.

Comments, Condolences, and questions are welcome.
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Old March 8th, 2019, 14:35   #2
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Sucks to hear. You didn’t exceed the mileage, but did exceed the age interval. I think it’s 5 years or 60k. I was at 6 years with 30k and was getting nervous... I eventually swapped it.

I’d be tempted to toss a used head on it, and call it good. Maybe a day’s work, if everything comes off easily.

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Old March 8th, 2019, 15:42   #3
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Ditto, the year range should not be ignored, it's just as important as miles.

I can't start the engine in my Mk3 until I've done the belt change, it's pretty close to being due mile wise and definitely from the year standpoint. As easy as these are it's just not worth risking the outcome of a broken belt.

I would do what Todd suggests and get a used cylinder head for it and install that. I would however have a shop service the used head, it would be worth it to have the exhaust valve guides checked and replaced if necessary as well as a valve job.

Given the probable body condition from a Texas car it would be worth it I think, at least from the perspective of someone who lives in the rust belt.

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Old March 9th, 2019, 05:55   #4
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Thanks, guys. I appreciate the input. I'll have to do some looking around. Any advice on where to find a used unserviced head or buy one that's been serviced already?
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Old March 9th, 2019, 06:00   #5
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My condolences. Wow, only 36k? But in the blistering Texas heat I imagine that is what did it in.

The guy I will be using for my head rebuild when it comes due has a post here detailing the quality of his work. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=175661
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Old March 10th, 2019, 12:26   #6
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Yea, I feel like a shmuck for not watching the years.. I just knew I was nowhere near the mile tolerances. Damn.
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Old March 10th, 2019, 12:41   #7
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There are 2 sides to a TB failure
A: worst case
cam, lifters, pistons, wrist pins and much more damage. (TOTAL ANNIHILATION)

B: best case
Bent valves

Its worth pulling the head and checking piston height, and a few things

for $30 bucks for a dial indicator, you can tell if the block and all her guts are probably fine and worth rebuilding.

Pull the head, measure how high past 0 (the deck) each piston sits at at TDC for each.
if cam, lifters, and head are in good shape and no valve broke off but the valves are slightly bent, you could replace the valves, check for side play, Lap the valves, new head gasket, and some hardware and be back on the road.
Its worth a peak inside, who knows.
And if you don't want to do the work or put that $ into it, and find out that its just some bent rods, i would probably go down and buy that car from you for what you would get in scrap!
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Old March 10th, 2019, 13:16   #8
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I'm working on getting a day to day car in the short term, and will update the thread when I can get the head off. I'll get pics. Thanks again to everyone for posting. It's been a rough weekend.
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Old March 10th, 2019, 19:22   #9
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most of us have been there, done that, know how it feels. Best of luck!
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Old March 13th, 2019, 20:00   #10
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Are the rollers/tensioner/water pump all spinning freely? Those are responsible for most belt failures. What brand of belt was it?
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Old March 14th, 2019, 06:15   #11
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I dunno, I haven't got into yet. I had to find a new car and quick.

The shop is Austin is no longer in business.... go figure. 'Underground VW'

I'll probably try and sell it on here for parts? I don't have the ability to work on it here at the house. The landlord isn't cool with me working on a car, i rent her back house.

Any ideas on the value? Two years ago all engine mounts done, shocks, struts. 266k miles. Has all the other faults.... crappy door handles and rear driver side window mechanism is shot. I'll take some pics here this weekend.

--If I had only done the timing belt I'd probably be driving it another 8 years.

Thanks again guys for all the input and support.

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Old March 14th, 2019, 08:52   #12
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Water pump has nothing to do with TB failure, on these engines.

Unless you’re able to part it out, it’s not going to be worth much, in its current condition. I’d find a way to fix it. You’ve got to know someone who can let you use their space for a weekend. This should be a quick job.

Buy a known good used head, change the valve stem seals and bolt it on. New ancillary parts, time it and run it.

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Old March 14th, 2019, 15:55   #13
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Now listed for sale here on TDIclub.
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Old March 14th, 2019, 16:24   #14
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Sounds like Underground metaphysical VW repair liked to do metaphysical timing belt jobs. As in not actually doing the work at all. That's what the reviews indicate anyhow.
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Old March 14th, 2019, 16:26   #15
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Yep. I've been zapped by the wizard at Metaphysical VW
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