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Old July 21st, 2020, 10:02   #1066
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My wife and I both love the 328d after 5 weeks and about 1,100 miles. First time she has ever noticed a car's handling.

Averaging 41 mpg combined to boot!

About time for my first oil change.
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Old July 21st, 2020, 10:07   #1067
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This is a very enabling thread ... I am thinking about going for a 335D because of power and a better built and finish than a VW. However power is only useful if you can make full use of it. So lets talk about the overall comfort. Is a 328D or 335D more comfortable than a Jetta with updated GLI seats, upgraded suspension and the works?
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Old July 21st, 2020, 11:51   #1068
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Kind of apples and oranges. Driving position and space in the 335d is actually pretty similar to the MKIV. Of course it's quieter, and it rides and steers better, even with stock suspension. The seats are about the same in my base version. The sport seats are supposed to be better.

The big negative for me is the transmission. It's a good automatic, works well, shifts when it's supposed to. And the 335 has so much torque (especially with a tune) that once you're above 50 MPH or so it rarely has to downshift. But I still prefer to drive a manual.
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Old July 21st, 2020, 14:23   #1069
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This is a very enabling thread ... I am thinking about going for a 335D because of power and a better built and finish than a VW. However power is only useful if you can make full use of it. So lets talk about the overall comfort. Is a 328D or 335D more comfortable than a Jetta with updated GLI seats, upgraded suspension and the works?
I have a 2015 Jetta SEL TDI doesn’t have GLI seats not bad but really no comparison to my Highly Option Sport Model 328D X Drive
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Old July 21st, 2020, 15:18   #1070
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I will agree. The Jetta is nice for its low price but the BMW 335d and 328d are in a different league above for comfort, construction, materials, and even reliability IMO. My 535d, in case you are looking, is what the 335d wanted to be when it grew up - better in almost every way except size and fuel pump (I've owned both and driven the rest).
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Old July 23rd, 2020, 12:47   #1071
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Kind of apples and oranges.

This. It's hard to compare the two. The 6-cyl N57 engine in the 335d obviously going to perform different than the 4-cyl N47 engine in the 328d. On top of that, they are only available in their respective generation of 3-series. So you end up comparing 425lb-ft of torque on a 3800lb 335d vs. 280 lb-ft on a 3400lb 328d.



The 3-series N57 is only available in the E90, a well respected drivers platform, but older. I think the last model year was 2010. It still has hydraulic power steering and a tighter suspension. That said, these cars are starting to push 10 years in age.



The 3-series N47 is only available in the F30/F31 (2014-2018), which received a lot of flak for shedding a lot of the old fashioned driving feel the E90 had. EPS replaced hydraulic steering, but also enabled a lot of the driver assistance tech available in this generation.


Your best of both world is getting a N57 in a more recent platform: The F10 535d.
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Old July 23rd, 2020, 13:53   #1072
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After driving VW Diesels for over 27 years, I bought a CPO 2016 535d M Sport. The car has 21K on it. Actually I bought it in May 2020 and so far have been using it on the weekends. My daily car is still a 2010 Jetta TDI. The 535d is a very different vehicle.. The inline 6 cylinder engine is much smoother and very responsive. The moment you step on the gas pedal, the response is almost instant..also it's quieter at highway speeds. If you don't pay attention you might be driving 80-90 mph and not even be aware of it. The decoupling system (transmission/engine) on ECO mode is useful. I will eventually give my 2010 Jetta MT to my teenage son who is 16 years old, then 535d will be my daily driver.
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Old July 23rd, 2020, 15:14   #1073
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I seriously considered buying a 328d in '18 before they ended production. Drove one extensively. Decided against it in part because of cost and depreciation: I think it only makes sense to buy a new BMW if someone else (like an employer) is paying.
But the other reasons were that the e90 and M57 engine is preferable (to me, anyway) for a number of reasons:
  • Better (hydraulic) steering
  • No screen (on my base version)
  • Smoother and quieter engine
  • Better interior materials (slightly, it still amazes me that a 50K car isn't significantly better than a $22K VW)
  • Fewer nannies (stop start, etc.)
I give up 5-7 MPG for the bigger engine, but 34 versus 40 isn't huge.

Finding a clean 335d may be challenging, however. Mine has 64K miles on it and I'm basically the second owner, so it's pretty nice. But most I see for sale now have well over 100K miles on them.But they don't cost a lot.
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Old July 23rd, 2020, 15:19   #1074
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Capt slow-my 335d is a 2011 and was the last year, the 535d was available longer. My wife had an X5 with the N57, also a 2011. I have moved on to gassers and sold the X5. The 335d is our spare now, it’s got some mods and I haven’t considered selling it yet.

The 335d is absolutely amazing in the snow, surprisingly so since it’s rear wheel drive. I drive a total of 50 miles per week now and my wife commutes 5 miles each way so diesel is no longer a good option for us.
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Old July 23rd, 2020, 16:16   #1075
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Out of all, after owning a 2011 335d sport package, my "standard" 535d is much better in most categories including much better fuel economy. The LCI F10 had significant steering improvements that make it better than the F30 3-series even with sport options (I drove the m335i extensively at BMW drivers experience in Greenville and the LCI standard 5-series is better)


I've said it before, the 5-series is what the 3-series wants to be when it grows up. No real comparison to any VW unless you talk about the long-gone Phaeton which my Mercedes W211 beat in every way.
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Old July 23rd, 2020, 16:23   #1076
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I'm surprised many on the TDI boards don't talk about the diesel Jaguar XE. My wife's car outhandles any BMW or VW that I've ever driven. It makes me think modern Porsche Boxster handling when I drive it. Fantastic and the diesel engine purrs like a kitten!
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Old July 23rd, 2020, 16:58   #1077
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I'm surprised many on the TDI boards don't talk about the diesel Jaguar XE. My wife's car outhandles any BMW or VW that I've ever driven. It makes me think modern Porsche Boxster handling when I drive it. Fantastic and the diesel engine purrs like a kitten!
I would like to hear what other BMWs have you driven before to make that comparison? According to every car/auto magazine/publication Fxx series BMWs are one of the worst bunch when it comes to handling.
For those that are looking for a F30, F31 or F10 chassis and like sporty handling find one with adaptive suspension, it makes a night and day difference. I'm not sure if that option was even available on 3series diesels here in NA but you can definitely find it in a 535d. Ohh, and good luck finding one, very rare option on a fiver diesel, I guess not everyone wanted to fork out few grand on better suspension.

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I would like to hear what other BMWs have you driven before to make that comparison? According to every car/auto magazine/publication Fxx series BMWs are one of the worst bunch when it comes to handling.
For those that are looking for a F30, F31 or F10 chassis and like sporty handling find one with adaptive suspension, it makes a night and day difference. I'm not sure if that option was even available on 3series diesels here in NA but you can definitely find it in a 535d. Ohh, and good luck finding one, very rare option on a fiver diesel, I guess not everyone wanted to fork out few grand on better suspension.

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I have not tried the active suspension but most of my criticism of BMW is related to the electric steering which on my LCI F10 is passable. The E90 sport option steering was too heavy IMO, coming even from a Carrera 3.2. The W211 was sublime as a luxury suspension handler - never caused a tire screech or skid. Loved the E90 staggered summer-tired sport suspension on the track which didn't happen with the F30 M-package or the same year 2-series M235i at the BMW center.


Loaner G30 530e felt more lively with 19 inch all-season RFT's than my 535d with 18 inchers, while a recent loaner M340i had tight handling and great acceleration but still heavy-feel unlike the Jag.
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I don't think there are many around. I never see XEs on the road, diesel or otherwise. An occasional XJ or F-Type, but that's about it.

I drove an Ex when they came out. Liked it, but the experience wasn't particularly compelling. Our local dealer still has a few new '18s and 19s. Prices are pretty reasonable.
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I would like to hear what other BMWs have you driven before to make that comparison? According to every car/auto magazine/publication Fxx series BMWs are one of the worst bunch when it comes to handling.
For those that are looking for a F30, F31 or F10 chassis and like sporty handling find one with adaptive suspension, it makes a night and day difference. I'm not sure if that option was even available on 3series diesels here in NA but you can definitely find it in a 535d. Ohh, and good luck finding one, very rare option on a fiver diesel, I guess not everyone wanted to fork out few grand on better suspension.

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Maybe I've been driving modified front drive VWs for too long, but when I got my e90 I was totally underwhelmed by the ride and handling. It feels like a boat to me: Too soft, not enough control of those heavy wheels with run flat tires, more body roll than I'd expect. Getting better tires helped a lot, and swapping in some Konis, which I will eventually, will probably help more. This is the first BMW I've owned but it doesn't strike me as an ultimate driving machine.
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