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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old April 25th, 2018, 13:09   #61
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The fix was completed on my 2015 Golf Sportswagon today. It took 1 day.
They installed new tailpipe and cutout and upgraded software. Mileage not appreciably different, still 42+.
Power down and mileage up from my 2014 sportswagon which I turned in to VW last year. There may be a different final drive ratio.
Assuming it is a different design? Can you post a photo? How many miles on your GSW?
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Old April 25th, 2018, 18:22   #62
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Thanks for that Fixmy59bug.
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I did not buy a "buyback car" so I should get the entire fix. But with only 40k miles on the car I want to wait as long as I can before getting the new emissions hardware.
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I wonder what the final date will wind up being for have phase 2 completed?
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Might as well wait until then. I see no need replacing the DPF and other stuff with only 40k miles if I'm going to keep it many years.
I completely agree. My Passat has 55k on it now, and it has the 160k mile warranty. So I see no good reason to bring it for phase 2 until approx 155k. Lol.

My service advisor told me yesterday “Hey, Phase 2 goes live tomorrow. I’m going to write up your car tomorrow when you get in.”

I told him “**** no you aren’t going to”. Lol
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Old April 26th, 2018, 08:41   #63
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Well, my 15 is at the dealer today. They said it'd take 10hrs labor. Here goes nothing. I'll report on my experience and findings.

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Old April 26th, 2018, 09:05   #64
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My Passat 2015 is scheduled to go to phase II next Wednesday May 02.
I only have 22K miles on it.
I was wondering if I should wait few more years before I bring it in for phase II...
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Old April 26th, 2018, 09:06   #65
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37K miles and new parts, interesting, I guess that's close enough to 40K.

Also looks like they need to take pictures of the installed units to send back to the mothership.
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Old April 26th, 2018, 09:36   #66
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37K miles and new parts, interesting, I guess that's close enough to 40K.

Also looks like they need to take pictures of the installed units to send back to the mothership.
She's got 42k on it now (fixed my sig).

I should mention that this is only the 2nd TDI they've done so far, the other being a 15 Beetle. So, this is still a very new process and I hope I don't regret not waiting for them to iron out issues. The service writer said that on the 1st TDI, they ended up having to replace the glow plug module because there was a programming error. "They won't let me stock it, but we can overnight it." Sounds like there are multiple revisions/versions of the glow plug controller and the older ones cannot be flashed with the phase 2 software.

I am very, very excited to be done with this, so I didn't want to wait a day longer than necessary. I'll post photos of the mods if somebody doesn't first.
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Old April 26th, 2018, 10:47   #67
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My Passat 2015 is scheduled to go to phase II next Wednesday May 02.
I only have 22K miles on it.
I was wondering if I should wait few more years before I bring it in for phase II...
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That's my dilemma. Been looking at the settlement website and can't find a date that phase two would have to be completed by and still get the final 1/3 of the restitution payment.
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I'd call the claims hotline but that would wind up being an effort in futility. lol
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I'm sure we have (at the earliest) all of 2019. If anyone does come across a date, let us know.
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Old April 26th, 2018, 14:52   #68
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I having mine done on Monday April 30th i well report back how it goes.
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Old April 26th, 2018, 17:43   #69
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37K miles and new parts, interesting, I guess that's close enough to 40K.
Remember, on a customer owned vehicle (not a buyback vehicle) they get the full kit regardless of mileage.
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Old April 27th, 2018, 11:27   #70
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I've always hated the wording of the document.

I read the following in that, if you're under under 40K you don't get new parts. Cause soon as i read IF and exceeds 40K, i'm already skipping over everything it lists looking for if under 40K.

If your car exceeds 40,000 miles (for automatic
transmissions) or 70,000 miles (for manual transmissions) we will install
updated emissions control system hardware - specifically a new Diesel
Particulate Filter, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst, and Selective Catalytic
Reduction Converter - that is needed to maintain emissions
performance for the full useful life (150,000 miles) of your vehicle.

Apparently its regardless of mileage, you get new parts with Phase2 but if your under 40K expect to have equipment replaced twice on our dime.

If that's true it should read like this, way easier to read.

Regardless of mileage we will install
updated emissions control system hardware - specifically a new Diesel
Particulate Filter, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst, and Selective Catalytic
Reduction Converter -If your car exceeds 40,000 miles (for automatic
transmissions) or 70,000 miles (for manual transmissions) this will maintain emissions
performance for the full useful life (150,000 miles) of your vehicle.
As
part of the Phase 2 modification, we will also install a second NOx
sensor and corresponding software to improve the performance of the
OBD system. The Phase 2 updates are expected to have no further
impact on overall vehicle reliability, durability, fuel economy, engine
sound, performance, or drivability.
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You will receive a notice when Phase 2 of the emissions modification is
available for your vehicle. You should expect to receive this notice
before June 30, 2019. If your vehicle has accumulated fewer than
40,000 miles (for automatic transmissions) or 70,000 miles (for
manual transmissions) at the time of your Phase 2 update, your car will
need to have the Diesel Oxidation Catalyst replaced a second time,
before it reaches 150,000 miles. We will notify you when it is time to
bring your car in for the second catalyst replacement.


I wonder if those that have been contacted have been originally 2015 sold cars with documents to VW stating they are over 40K, and no NOS (left overs) have been contacted as the chances of them being over 40K is slim to nill.
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Old April 27th, 2018, 12:00   #71
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I wonder if those that have been contacted have been originally 2015 sold cars with documents to VW stating they are over 40K, and no NOS (left overs) have been contacted as the chances of them being over 40K is slim to nill.
Interesting hypothesis and could explain why I haven't heard a peep yet from VW on my NOS 2015.
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Mine is an old sale 2015 and I was contacted a few days ago, but I also have information in the portal and I think that's where the email originated so who knows.
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I wonder if those that have been contacted have been originally 2015 sold cars with documents to VW stating they are over 40K, and no NOS (left overs) have been contacted as the chances of them being over 40K is slim to nill.
My Jetta had 6,000 miles on it when it had phase 1. But yeah, I agree with your sentiments. The wording is not clear. I take it as this... the car is working perfectly fine right now. They do whatever it is that they are going to do, parts or no parts, and I get a $2,400 check. Sometime over the next 8 years or 120,000 miles, if I have any trouble with the emissions bits, I get new parts again. This relieves all the anxiety I have about expensive repairs and allows me to just enjoy the car for a very long time.

If I had to do it all over again, I don't know that I'd buy the TDI in hindsight... but at the end of the day, VW made me whole again and I'm a very happy owner/driver.

On another note, they didn't have the "nut or clip" in the kit as described in the J6 service above... so they had to overnight it from BFE. I hope I can pick up my car today and take some photos of the modifications.
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Here's the deal.

If you decided to keep the car and get the fix and restitution, you will get the complete fix regardless of mileage.

If you bought a "buyback car", and are under the mileage threshold (40k miles for DSG or 70K miles for Manual), then you will get the second NOx sensor update. Once you pass the mileage threshold, you will be able to get the DPF, Catalyst, and SOC update.

If you bought a "buyback car" and are over the aforementioned mileage threshold, you will get the full update.
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Remember, on a customer owned vehicle (not a buyback vehicle) they get the full kit regardless of mileage.
So we just discovered a little bit of a twist...

Apparently "Remarketed" cars (that is, brand new 2015's that were sold brand new once the stop sale was lifted) do not get the 2B kit. They only get the 2A kit.
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Well that maybe due to mileage more than "remarketed" cars under 40K get 2A, cars over 40K get 2B. My guess is VW will drag their feet reaching out to customers to offer 2A, as that's just more money out the window for VW for shop time.

Which was the original way I read the documentation, instead people claiming everyone gets all new parts regardless of mileage. Also think about it, why would VW replace good parts with a serviceable life left if they still meet the emissions (software fix brought it to an agreed limit), VW is only tossing parts to make it to the serviceable life of the car, 150K miles.

more data points are needed.
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