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VW MKVI-A6 Golf family including Jetta SportWagen (~ 2010-2014) Discussions area for A6/MkVI (2010-2014) Golf and Golf Wagons (Jetta Sportwagon in the USA).

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Old October 25th, 2016, 14:35   #31
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I mis-read, thanks for clarifying!
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Old March 11th, 2017, 14:42   #32
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15,000 Mile Update

-Rotated F->B on the same side.

-Miles on tires ~15000

-Avg Tread Depth 6/32

As always I measured 4 spots across each tire from the outside to the inside.

Outside-------------->Inside Inside<-------------Outside

LF- 6/32 6/32 6/32 5/32 -- 5/32 6/32 6/32 6/32 - RF

LR- 6/32 6/32 6/32 6/32 -- 6/32 6/32 6/32 6/32 - RR


Alright! I'm still very happy with the tires and they seem to be wearing right on schedule with what I've been expecting/predicting....maybe even slightly better.

Notable aspects of this 5k mile run include.....~800 miles of towing the Scamp to Palo Duro Canyon and ~700 miles of hard driving on the curvy AR mountain roads. The rest was just regular highway and city driving. Also on this rotation I found a small nail in the LR and had it fixed today before we leave on a trip.

Performance in the wet and dry is still the same as when they were new or at least there are no noticeable differences. Tire noise seems about the same....I'm sure it's a bit louder just because there is less rubber, but I can't tell.

Here are a few pics-

Front

DSC09340 by DerekG710, on Flickr

Some slight shoulder scrub that wasn't there before the 700 mile run in the mountains lol

DSC09341 by DerekG710, on Flickr

Rear

DSC09337 by DerekG710, on Flickr

DSC09336 by DerekG710, on Flickr

DSC09339 by DerekG710, on Flickr

Tread looks pretty much identical on all 4 tires apart from a little more shoulder wear on the fronts from running them hard as you can see. The little rubber pins/hairs are worn off on the shoulder of the fronts, but not the rears.

Overall I think they are doing great and I feel like they are living up to my expectations. There isn't any weird wear at all...no feathering, no sharp edges on the tread blocks, and no unusual shoulder wear. There is some very slight camber wear on 2 of the tires, but I think a 1/32 difference is well within normal limits...especially for these cars.

I have not had them balanced or had an alignment since they were installed last April and the way the treadwear is currently trending I really don't see a need to change anything at the moment. My current rotation regiment seems to be working well.

The next 5k update should come relatively soon. We have a ~1600 mile trip to Santa Fe next week and hopefully a few camping trips before summer. I just got accepted to Optometry school which is roughly ~180 miles away and will be moving in the summer. I expect there will be lots of back and forth for orientation, finding a place to live, and moving in June/July.....excited for that adventure to start in August!

That's all I can think of for this update...I'll see you guys at the 20k mile update!

Thanks for reading!
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Old July 5th, 2017, 09:46   #33
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20k Mile Update

-Cross-rotated F->B

-Miles on Tires ~20,000

-Avg. Tread Depth 5/32

Again, I measured 4 spots across each tire.


Outside-------------->Inside Inside<-------------Outside

LF- 6/32 5/32 6/32 5/32 -- 5/32 6/32 6/32 6/32 - RF

LR- 5/32 5/32 5/32 5/32 -- 5/32 5/32 5/32 5/32 - RR


Tread wear seems to be right on track with the trend I've seen for the last 20k miles. Rears appear to have worn a little more this interval compared to the fronts, but still very even w/o any feathering/cupping.

I did ~2k miles of towing this time.....~850 pulling the Scamp and the rest was my utility trailer with plastic tubs full of stuff. We are moving at the end of the month and have been making multiple 350 mile round trips to the new house slowing moving stuff in.

The tires are probably halfway through their life at the moment. No noticeable differences in performance or grip in the wet/dry yet. When I started this test I was expecting to get about 30k miles out of them as the manufacturer's tread life estimates always seem a little optimistic.

At this point I should hit 30k no problem and I think 40k should be doable at the rate they are wearing. The 45k that Michelin estimates for this size/compound might be pushing it if they continue to wear at the current rate of ~1/32 (maybe slightly less) per 5k miles. That would put them at roughly 2/32 depending on my driving style for the next 25k miles.

I don't really have any complaints though. Everything seems "as advertised" and I would be perfectly happy getting 35k-40k out of them, especially with all the towing I do.

Here are a few pics as they were last night....

Front

DSC00821 by DerekG710, on Flickr

DSC00824 by DerekG710, on Flickr

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Rear

DSC00826 by DerekG710, on Flickr

DSC00834 by DerekG710, on Flickr

DSC00835 by DerekG710, on Flickr

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Thanks for reading! See you at 25k!
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Old July 5th, 2017, 10:57   #34
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Another view for comparison:

OEM Bridgestone Turanza EL 400 tires at 49,555 miles on my 2013 JSW TDI 6M measure 5/32 all around.

Comp dealer 10k rotation (First 3 were included with 2013 price.

40,000 service visit covered by VW complimentary 'Diesel Gate' credit card(s)...............

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Old July 5th, 2017, 12:00   #35
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Another view for comparison:

OEM Bridgestone Turanza EL 400 tires at 49,555 miles on my 2013 JSW TDI 6M measure 5/32 all around.

Comp dealer 10k rotation (First 3 were included with 2013 price.

40,000 service visit covered by VW complimentary 'Diesel Gate' credit card(s)...............

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ez (awaiting Buyback funding for GSW 1.8 turbo 5M - - - - or 1.4 turbo Jetta S 5M (gets unreal - for an 87 fuel user - MPG per Fuelly.com)
Seems about right for a non-UHP all season tire.......Interesting to see the mileage hit I'm taking by using a more performance oriented all season.

PS. Get the GSW! lol
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Old July 15th, 2017, 18:45   #36
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Thanks for the review and updates!

My step-dad got me hooked on the Michigan tires as he calls them.

I now run them on pretty much everything I can LOL
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Old July 16th, 2017, 10:52   #37
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I just turned 8K and did my first rotation two weeks ago. They are looking good, except for slow leak in one tire, from a screw that is living in my tire right now.

Just after I put the Pilots on, I installed DIY, a set of Touring TC Billstein shocks and struts with new upper bearing. I was surprised my OEM shocks and struts were shot, made a YouTube video showing how weak they were. The new shocks and struts have much much stiffer dampening and fast extension.

The OEM's I took out at 86K were very easy to compress with one hand and would extend like a snail or not fully. That blew me away. I thought I was wasting money replacing the suspension before 120K... Nope, the OEM stuff was shot....

With the new tires and shocks/struts, with firmer damping and faster extension, it made a huge difference. I also put in a 24mm rear sway. Now the car is just at the verge of being two stiff. Fine overall, but now I avoid the buckled and pot holes in the street... like a plague. However I take turns faster and flatter and mo-fun....

It is a stiffer ride tire/suspension combo. However it corners nice. The biggest difference is when I carry a full load of heavy cargo in the back. if I fold the seats and fill it with 67cu-ft of heavy cargo, the stock suspension makes the car handle poorly to even adversely. I have to slow to below on-ramp posted speeds. Now it drives very nice, normal, with cargo or trailer. I have a Westfalia trailer hitch and VW wiring.
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Old July 16th, 2017, 13:00   #38
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Thanks for your thoughts on the Bilstein TC. Those are always my go to when replacing stock struts. Both my 1991 535i and 2004 545i have them. I didn't notice them being much different than stock, but those are heavier cars than the Golf.

Did you drive the car with just the new struts before installing the swaybar? I don't really want to harsh the ride too much, but if the handling is better without the ride quality suffering too much I may go with the TC when mine need replaced.

Also, did you initially change them because could really tell they were worn or more of a preventive replacement? I'm at 60k now and mine still feel great.

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Old December 26th, 2017, 22:33   #39
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Default Update 12/26/2017

-25k Update-

-Rotated F->B on same side for this interval.

-Miles on Tires 25,010

-Avg. Tread Depth 4/32-5/32

As always, I measured 4 spots across each tire.


Outside-------------->Inside Inside<-------------Outside

LF- 5/32 4/32 4/32 4/32 -- 4/32 4/32 4/32 5/32 - RF

LR- 5/32 5/32 5/32 4/32 -- 5/32 5/32 5/32 5/32 - RR

Another good run with no complaints. Only had about 500-600 miles of Scamp towing this cycle, but airbags seem to be doing a great job of minimizing camber wear while towing.

Other than that just normal hwy/city driving....not much spirited driving this time around either. I'd say it's about a 50/50 split city/hwy. My commute changed since last time to 15-20 miles per day on 40-55mph roads.

Now, as far as expected longevity. I'm thinking 35k is probably going to be where I call it and start tire shopping, but it really depends on what time of year I hit that mileage. I should make it through the spring/early summer 2018 rains just fine and I'll have ~30k on them by then. Summer won't be a problem and we have relatively dry weather in the fall and pretty much zero snow in the winter.

Anyway, I'll see what they look like at 30K and go from there. On to a couple current pics from today.

*Note* I run them at ~34psi on all 4 corners during normal driving. When towing I run the rears at 40psi and keep the fronts at 34.

*Note* I have not had the car aligned since these tires were installed new. I cannot feel a hint of feathering or irregular wear and they have been wearing pretty damn evenly. Take a look.



Front-

DSC01362 by DerekG710, on Flickr

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DSC01364 by DerekG710, on Flickr

DSC01365 by DerekG710, on Flickr

Rear-

DSC01367 by DerekG710, on Flickr

DSC01368 by DerekG710, on Flickr

DSC01370 by DerekG710, on Flickr

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Thanks for reading! See you at 30k!
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Old December 28th, 2017, 04:28   #40
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Thank you for doing this. I was considering these tires for my next set, but...
I typically replace my tires when the tread gets down to 4/32. My previous 4 sets got there right at 40k. Usually, by that point, I don't trust the tires to perform an emergency stop/turn in the wet.

It looks like you'll hit 4/32 right at 30k, (which is surprising considering a tire with a 45k warranty) so I'm curious to see how they handle beyond the 4/32 mark. If they handle just fine for you I may be happy to trust the tread to 2/32 which looks like should happen right around 40k. Hope they handle well!

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Thank you for doing this. I was considering these tires for my next set, but...
I typically replace my tires when the tread gets down to 4/32. My previous 4 sets got there right at 40k. Usually, by that point, I don't trust the tires to perform an emergency stop/turn in the wet.
It looks like you'll hit 4/32 right at 30k, (which is surprising considering a tire with a 45k warranty) so I'm curious to see how they handle beyond the 4/32 mark. If they handle just fine for you I may be happy to trust the tread to 2/32 which looks like should happen right around 40k. Hope they handle well!
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No problem man! Glad I could help.

I'll be keeping a close eye on the handling once they reach less than 4/32. I'm not going to push for 45k if I feel there is a safety risk. If I wanted max mileage I would have bought some LRR touring all-seasons.

One thing I will say is that I think you would have a better chance of hitting the 40-45k under more normal conditions. Almost half of the mileage on these tires so far has been either with the car fully loaded (3 people + roof box) or towing.
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@DerekG -- Sorry if I missed it in the thread, but can you tell us how fuel mileage with these tires compares vs. the stock Conti's? Thanks.
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I put a set of these onto some 19" Konig Oversteers. Like em a lot, but i did lose about 3-4 mpg.
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@DerekG -- Sorry if I missed it in the thread, but can you tell us how fuel mileage with these tires compares vs. the stock Conti's? Thanks.
I would love to have a great answer to that, but my driving isn't consistent enough to be able to discern a 3-4mpg discrepancy. I honestly haven't noticed any difference at all, in fact I had 2 of my highest MPG tanks when these tires had less than 15k on them, 52.1 and 54.2.

Without spreadsheeting my last ~60 tanks on the Michelins vs the previous ~100 tanks on the conti's I can't say for sure...only that I haven't noticed a change.

My all highway tanks (when I have a naked roof and not towing) are still well into the mid-40s like they were with the conti's. The two biggest differences between them are grip and wear....predictably. I changed out the Conti's at 40k and they still measured 4/32. I would have left them on longer, but we were about to take a ~3k mile trip with a fully loaded car + roof box though some great driving roads in TN and NC.


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I put a set of these onto some 19" Konig Oversteers. Like em a lot, but i did lose about 3-4 mpg.
Did you change tires and wheels at the same time or just the tires?
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Old January 7th, 2018, 16:05   #45
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Quick question to OP: Are you fixed? My 2010 6M took a bunch in the nads upon the fix. From 37-38 City & 39-42hwy (depending on my speeding of course) down to 34-36mpg (hard calc at fillups)

I don't expect tire selection to help me, I'm just curious.
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