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VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) Discussion area for the 2012+ Passat TDI (North American and rest of world versions versions). The North American model was previously codenamed NMS (New Midsize Sedan) and the version the rest of the world gets is sometimes referred to as B7.

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Old October 24th, 2011, 14:06   #1
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Default Comparison: 2012 Sonata Hybrid vs 2012 Camry Hybrid vs. 2012 Passat TDi

A pretty decent road test article by Motor Trend.

I find the article pretty unbiased although the mpg numbers were very low for all of the vehicles. I guess they drove all three with a lead foot because the Camry and Passat should have been able to hit 40mpg with so much highway time. Regardless, the numbers for the Camry and Passat came out high. I like how they made the distinction between actual performance numbers like 0-60mph vs. feel of the car. Despite the Camry being much quicker than the Passat, the Passat was more fun to drive with all of the available low end torque.

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Old October 25th, 2011, 06:22   #2
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Of course they drive with a lead foot. They are automotive journalists.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 10:26   #3
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Interesting that the Passat TDI was also the cheapest car (as for as-tested price).

I drove one at the Orange County Auto Show last earlier in the month. One thing I really enjoyed was that even with the front seat all the way back, I could sit comfortably in the back with ample leg room (I'm 6'4"). I did the same in the Sonata Hybrid with other people driving, and was a little cramped, and that was with the driver's seat in the middle.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 12:56   #4
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Interesting that the Passat TDI was also the cheapest car (as for as-tested price).

I drove one at the Orange County Auto Show last earlier in the month. One thing I really enjoyed was that even with the front seat all the way back, I could sit comfortably in the back with ample leg room (I'm 6'4"). I did the same in the Sonata Hybrid with other people driving, and was a little cramped, and that was with the driver's seat in the middle.
How did they compare in handling to your Jetta? I mean when your car was stock. It's so modded now that it probably feels like it is on rails compared to most cars.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 13:01   #5
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They used the XLE model Camry (MSRP $27,400) instead of the base model XL (MSRP $25,900) which gets a 1mpg higher rating. At those prices though who cares. The Passat TDI SE MSRP $25,995.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 13:59   #6
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34mpg sounds about right for that passat
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Old October 25th, 2011, 17:24   #7
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It will get better mileage after 15,000-20,000 if it is anything like my 2010 2.0 CR. Check out my fuelly records. I am experiencing slow increase in fuel economy in the last 5000 miles. Nearly 40mpg with 80% city driving, and when I bought it, it was getting 36mpg routinely.

No change in driving habits (still pretty aggressive). It is just getting better after 20k miles. And the new Passat is practically identical in weight to the JSW as well (at 3300 lbs, Passat TDI is only about 150 lbs more). Fuel economy should be similar.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 07:03   #8
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Forced to find faults, we could only come up with the lack of an iPod/USB interface.
I have an SE w/ Nav and it has an IPOD interface in the armrest (supposedly you can buy other connectors for the various USB ports). Is that only in the SEs with Nav systems?
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Old October 26th, 2011, 08:45   #9
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Yeah, nav gets the MDI. Plain SE like my 6MT only gets an analog aux jack. The RCD-510 still supports A2DP streaming and it eats SD cards and six CDs, so not much of a loss, at least for me. I use satellite, FM, or SD card 99% of the time anyway.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 10:25   #10
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Motor Trend magazine also did a test of the same 3 cars with GASOLINE engines. The PASSAT was again the #1 choice, the Camry and the Sonata came in 2nd & 3rd respectively in that comparison as well. So either DIESEL or GAS, the Passat came out on top.
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The camry has to be one of the most boring cars I've ever driven would rather have a german car
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The camry has to be one of the most boring cars I've ever driven would rather have a german car
Same for the Prius. Have heard them both described as like driving "an appliance" Have to have a car with a little soul. I most times have more fun getting there than the actual destination...
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If the tested Passat has the 170hp version TDI engine, and 2K extra MSRP, would it still win?
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Thx for sharing this w/ us

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Forced to find faults, we could only come up with the lack of an iPod/USB interface
and it isn't the torsion beam rear suspension?
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