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VW MKIII-A3/B4 TDIs This is a discussion about MKIII-A3/MkIII Jetta/Golf (<99.5) and B4 Passats (96,97) TDI's. Non TDI related postings will be moved or removed.

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Old March 15th, 2008, 06:38   #31
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This thread will come in handy. I recently replaced the bushings, bearings, outer tie rods, ball joints and strut mounts and bearings. I left the inner tie rods alone because there wasn't any play in them.

After having the car aligned, it pulled to the left and was very twitchy on the road especially with a cross wind.

Took it back to the shop, and they said the inners need to be replaced because the jam nuts are stuck and they can't adjust it the way the need to.

So the next pay check, the inners will be ordered and the tools sourced to attempt this procedure.
So this thread gets a thumbs up from me!
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Old March 15th, 2008, 14:40   #32
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There seems to be some interest, so, I thought I'd post some pics of the tool I made. Others have commented that you could turn the steering wheel such that the rack extends out to be able to put an open end wrench or crescent wrench on it.

At any rate, here's the tool I used:




As I mentioned earlier, I bought a cheap 1/2" drive extension set and wrench set that included a 32mm open end wrench, from harbor freight.

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Old March 17th, 2008, 07:14   #33
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Took it back to the shop, and they said the inners need to be replaced because the jam nuts are stuck and they can't adjust it the way the need to.
Have them put it up on a lift and point out the jam nuts on the inner ends....
There aren't any. All the adjustment is at the outer.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 08:00   #34
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Have them put it up on a lift and point out the jam nuts on the inner ends....
There aren't any. All the adjustment is at the outer.
My guess is that the outer area is so seized up they want to just cut the rod in the middle to gain access to the inner and then replace the whole deal with new parts... Although a glowing red jam nut has always been moveable for me.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 14:49   #35
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My inner tie rod was not 32mm, but 33.6mm
Harbor Freight had the right tool for me, for
removing the old joint, and getting the new 32mm
rod in place. I couldn't move it with just a regular wrench.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=96558
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Old March 20th, 2008, 17:50   #36
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Scrubber,
Was that tie rod on the Jetta or Golf?

AFAIK, the B4 tie rods are specific; not generic enough across the VW product lines.

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Old March 20th, 2008, 23:34   #37
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Scrubber,
Was that tie rod on the Jetta or Golf?
'02 Golf. I know it's the wrong forum, but I thought the
tool might be the answer for some people. It will work
for both 33.6mm and 32mm (I now have both sizes on the car).
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Old March 21st, 2008, 06:46   #38
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Scrubber,
No problem...kinda threw me for a loop with the different size.

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I’m bumping this for confirming information. The Harbo Freight tool (#63705) is a good bet. The stock tie rods use the 1-1/4” die and the new AC Delco replacement tie rods used the 33.6 mm die. The latter are about 1/2” longer, but the tie rod end (not the end of the inner tie rod, but the ball joint end that bolts to the knuckle) has more than enough depth to deal with the excess. The threading is M14x1.5 for the record.
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Old February 10th, 2019, 04:55   #41
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I bought a crows foot wrench for about $7. Not even worth the time to make one.

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Old February 10th, 2019, 14:39   #42
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I'm with Todd, the crows foot is perfect for this and cheap.

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I’m bumping this for confirming information. The Harbo Freight tool (#63705) is a good bet. The stock tie rods use the 1-1/4” die and the new AC Delco replacement tie rods used the 33.6 mm die. The latter are about 1/2” longer, but the tie rod end (not the end of the inner tie rod, but the ball joint end that bolts to the knuckle) has more than enough depth to deal with the excess. The threading is M14x1.5 for the record.
Sounds to me like the AC Delco branded inner tie rod is for ZF and not TRW maybe? That would explain why it's 1/2" longer, which is consistent with what I've found when comparing ZF to TRW inner tie rods.

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Old February 10th, 2019, 19:14   #43
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I'm with Todd, the crows foot is perfect for this and cheap.
Sounds to me like the AC Delco branded inner tie rod is for ZF and not TRW maybe? That would explain why it's 1/2" longer, which is consistent with what I've found when comparing ZF to TRW inner tie rods.
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You’re correct on this. However, is the rod diameter that critical? The ball joint of both have the same OD. The Bentlies just say to not install the TRW in the ZF racks. I have the new AC Delco parts, but they come with tie rod ends too, not just the inners. You need 1-1/4” adapters for TRW.

I would use a crows foot, but there is an issue. OE tie rods used an 8-point “lobe” so a hex/crow’s foot wouldn’t work [well]. The new ones were rounded square loves and a hex-anything won’t fit. The Harbor Freight tool handles both properly.
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You’re correct on this. However, is the rod diameter that critical? The ball joint of both have the same OD. The Bentlies just say to not install the TRW in the ZF racks. I have the new AC Delco parts, but they come with tie rod ends too, not just the inners. You need 1-1/4” adapters for TRW.
I would use a crows foot, but there is an issue. OE tie rods used an 8-point “lobe” so a hex/crow’s foot wouldn’t work [well]. The new ones were rounded square loves and a hex-anything won’t fit. The Harbor Freight tool handles both properly.
I think the reason the Bentley has gone this route is because it would take far too much explaining to the average person about what parts will work with what racks (in reality) so it's just easier to draw the line and say that there's no compatibility.

AFAIK it's really a one way compatiility issue and some folks might conclude without thinking that if it works one way it'll work going the other, and that's not a safe conclusion with this.

Yeah, now that you mention is I remember that some of these use hex fit and some use square. I guess the tool you would need depends on who made the product.

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~39 w/ tax for the HF tool, fwiw.
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