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Old February 3rd, 2019, 13:08   #1
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After talking my Wife into getting a tdi jetta, we have had nothing but problems with it. Now I'm no tdi hater, had a 2010 golf i put 250k on then sold it back then bought my current car a 2015 tdi golf . Last Saturday the glow plug light flashed and car went into limp mode. We pulled over, shut the car off and turned it back on and it was normal. drove 30 miles home and then drove it all Sunday with no issues.


Then Monday it happened again. If we shut the car off it goes away upon restart. So I said screw it and dropped it off at the dealer. 6 hours later they called saying the fuel tested positive for petrol in it. I told them off as ive been the only one filling the car, with diesel, at the same station every time. They said ok and they were going to call vwoa to see if they'd cover it. we don't hear from them for 3 days and then they called my wife this last Friday saying they fixed it under warranty and it was ready to go. So naturally I called them and they told me they dug into it further and replaced the fuel rail and sensor.


So yesterday I go pick it up and drove it 100 miles with no issues. Then last night i go pick my wife up from work and while I'm waiting i ran an autoscan on it via vcds. The 2 P0087 low fuel pressure codes were gone from last Saturday and Monday but there was one from Thursday at 1:02 pm. At this time the car was still in control of the dealer. As we leave the wife's work, boom it does it again. Flashing glow plug, limp mode. Shut it off, back on, 30 miles home all good. ***. I scanned it, same low pressure code. Any ideas?? Bringing it back to the dealer tomorrow. Making them give me an alltrac for a loaner haha. Ive attached a pic of the work order and the auto scans below.


VCDS:
Saturday,02,February,2019,19:30:36:42496
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.1.0 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4437.4
Data version: 20190114 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: 3VWLL7AJ5EM337267 License Plate:
Mileage: 66290km-41190mi Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (6N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 17 19 25 2B 2E 37 44 47 56 75 77

VIN: 3VWLL7AJ5EM337267 Mileage: 66290km-41190miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
75-Telematics -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (CJA) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
Part No SW: 03L 997 030 M HW: 03L 907 309 AA
Component: R4 2.0l TDI G000AG 9983
Revision: 12H16--- Serial number:
Coding: 0050078
Shop #: WSC 43585 002 1048576
VCID: 38292A989E59EBC766D-806C

2 Faults Found:
000135 - Fuel Rail/System Pressure
P0087 - 001 - Too Low - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 66097 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2019.01.31
Time: 01:02:06

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 1495 /min
Inj. Quantity: 45.0 mg/str
(no units): 5.0
Pressure: 1224.0 bar
Pressure: 840.0 bar
Temperature: 26.1°C
Tank Cont.: 47.6 l

000135 - Fuel Rail/System Pressure
P0087 - 004 - Too Low - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 66252 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2019.02.02
Time: 06:29:20

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 1656 /min
Inj. Quantity: 36.5 mg/str
(no units): 4.0
Pressure: 1368.0 bar
Pressure: 1072.0 bar
Temperature: 33.3°C
Tank Cont.: 36.4 l

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0
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Old February 3rd, 2019, 15:06   #2
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Cant for the life on me figure out how to upload a pic on here anymore so no work order..
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Old February 3rd, 2019, 15:50   #3
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Cant for the life on me figure out how to upload a pic on here anymore so no work order..


Take it back. The entire fuel system has to be replaced or cleaned. Fuel drained, clean the fuel tank, new fuel lines, fuel pumps, filter and housing, fuel rails, and injectors. If they fixed it under warranty and it’s still screwy with the same codes and symptoms, then they didn’t do it right. The post fix warranty (and CPO coverage if you bought it at VW) should cover everything.

Btw, that “sniffer” fuel test they use in house in BS. Get your own fuel sample and submit it to a lab.

A good extra bit of insurance is to keep copies of all your fuel receipts. I keep an Evernote log of them on my phone along with a spreadsheet for when I purchase fuel. That way, if it really is contaminated fuel, most fuel stations have some guarantee and may be liable for damage caused by contaminated fuel.

Good luck, and report back.


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Old February 3rd, 2019, 17:34   #4
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Will do. Thats what I was afraid of. At least its all covered. And yes it is a CPO, thats pisses me off even more. Should have been like brand new. Ive put 15k on my CPO golf mk7 since may with zero issues.
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Old February 4th, 2019, 05:21   #5
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Will do. Thats what I was afraid of. At least its all covered. And yes it is a CPO, thats pisses me off even more. Should have been like brand new. Ive put 15k on my CPO golf mk7 since may with zero issues.


I picked up a 2013 CPO Sportwagen with 43K. The HPFP ate itself within a month. They tried the in house fuel test, and blamed fuel contamination, but I had all my receipts to back up my fuel purchases. They replaced everything and I was happy. The HPFP screen had some rust on it and was partially clogged. There were also metal shavings and rust in the HPFP inspection port.

Besides keeping receipts, I also add 2 oz of Stanadyne lubricity formula at each fill up. Makes me feel al little better. It is supposed to increase the lubricity and emulsify any water. It’s cheap insurance for peace of mind.


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Old February 4th, 2019, 07:02   #6
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Take it back. The entire fuel system has to be replaced or cleaned. Fuel drained, clean the fuel tank, new fuel lines, fuel pumps, filter and housing, fuel rails, and injectors. If they fixed it under warranty and it’s still screwy with the same codes and symptoms, then they didn’t do it right. The post fix warranty (and CPO coverage if you bought it at VW) should cover everything.

Btw, that “sniffer” fuel test they use in house in BS. Get your own fuel sample and submit it to a lab.

A good extra bit of insurance is to keep copies of all your fuel receipts. I keep an Evernote log of them on my phone along with a spreadsheet for when I purchase fuel. That way, if it really is contaminated fuel, most fuel stations have some guarantee and may be liable for damage caused by contaminated fuel.

Good luck, and report back.


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Wrong. His car restarts each time the code pops up so it's obviously not a catastrophically failed pump, which would require the repair you mentioned above. They threw a rail pressure regulator at it because it's either that or the metering valve that's causing the problem. The metering valve is not sold separate from the HPFP in the VW parts system so they replace the whole pump rather than pull three torx screws and slap a new metering valve on it. I've seen a handful of metering valve failures.
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Disregard. Edited.

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Old February 4th, 2019, 16:12   #8
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Wrong. His car restarts each time the code pops up so it's obviously not a catastrophically failed pump, which would require the repair you mentioned above. They threw a rail pressure regulator at it because it's either that or the metering valve that's causing the problem. The metering valve is not sold separate from the HPFP in the VW parts system so they replace the whole pump rather than pull three torx screws and slap a new metering valve on it. I've seen a handful of metering valve failures.

I had a fuel metering valve fail. More into in this thread: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=437398


Fixing it is easy, finding the part is not so easy.


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Old February 4th, 2019, 18:02   #9
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I had a fuel metering valve fail. More into in this thread: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=437398


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Definitly sounds like my issue! Hopefully Vw just gives us a whole new HPFP.
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Dealer called today. They got "special approval" from VW to replace the HPFP. Lol! Whatever, just get me my car back.
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