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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old January 5th, 2019, 08:20   #1
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Exclamation Pushing 2Y, bought-back '15 Passat 6MT

Bought it in March of 2017 with 8800 miles on odo

Had 0 issues so far. Just had 40K oil change. At $70-ish and dealer being so close, I dont bother. A DIY kit pushes $60. Complimentary car wash seals the deal.

Still do my own fuel filter and everything else, $$$aving here.

Solid 50+ Mpg in the summer , on longer runs. All the torque

Every other week get another wty extension letter it seems. Last one was the 120K on wheel clock spring.

Will delay the Phase 2a/b for as long as I can, idea is to get that post-2b 60K wty bump to matter. It is a stretch to get that, will have to wait about 5-6 years

For those trying to make a decision on TDI today, situation is a bit different.
We have the '19 1.4L Jetta - these come with 6MT, sell for under $18K and get really close to 50 hwy MPGs on regular . Laster in the year, rumor has SportWagens will be offered in same config.

But - smaller than Passat by few inches, esp noticeable less rear leg room. Much less torque. And, since she's a direct injection, intake valves require serious TLC every ~30K ($1000 abrasive blasting, ouch !) . And even new car wty cant touch what we got with bought-back TDIs - but that matters for those few that plan on keeping the cars till they fall apart.

About the only concern is the diesel price. Here in NJ regular is about $2.20.
Diesel is $3 . Gub'mint has 0 issues raising diesel prices as high as they want, as it is passed on (to customers) by trades & truckers.

Regens, now that they do them at 250 (?) miles instead of 460, are mildly annoying, these sap ~5mpg when they run.
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Old January 5th, 2019, 18:03   #2
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Diesel here is around the $2.50 mark as of yesterday. Regular around $1.84.
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Old January 5th, 2019, 18:03   #3
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The government isn't responsible for much of the diesel fuel premium over RUG($.06/gal). It has more to do with refining costs and global supply/demand. It does seem to have spiked unusually high in comparison to gasoline this winter. I don't think it will stay that way for long. Especially now that the Europeans are losing their affinity for diesel vehicles. And ultra low sulfur gasoline on it's way to market.
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Old January 6th, 2019, 20:21   #4
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turbobrick240 is correct, the government has nothing to do with the price of fuel besides the taxes they add on. Diesel is higher in the winter because the refineries start making more stove oil in the fall and winter, which cuts down on the supply of diesel supply. In the summer the diesel price is below regular, at least where I live due to the fact the refineries are only making diesel, no stove oil, so there is more supply. I work in a refinery in the Hydrocracker unit and we make lots of jet fuel and diesel and yes in the winter it does cost more to make diesel because we have to lower the freeze of the diesel so it doesn't gel in the winter. We do this by adding more heat to the tower to drive out more of the heavier hydrocarbons from the diesel draw tray which means we have to drive the boiler harder to add the extra heat to the tower, which drives up the cost. Also because we lighten the diesel fuel, there are less BTU's in the diesel, so that is why so many of us see worse mileage in the winter. In the summer the diesel is heavier due to a higher freeze target, and heavier fuel has more BTU's and burns hotter, so it takes less fuel to propel your vehicle.
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Old January 7th, 2019, 04:35   #5
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Mark

good stuff, thanks for in depth on refining, so much explained in a short post (I am a bit of a gear head) ! How about the ULSD - did that make it more expensive to refine diesel and if so, by how much ?

Do you use propane to heat up the towers (the byproduct of refining process itself) or nat gas ?

In NJ, the tran'n fund ran out of money, so they added something like extra 40 cent tax on fuel. Set to expire in 4 years IIRC, but I doubt it ever will. If not for it, RUG'd be around $1.80, and diesel at $2.50, this time of year.

I am close to where fuel comes in (Bayonne, Elizabeth GIANT terminals), so transportation costs are minimal. Further away from the shore it gets more expensive.
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Forgot about the ULSD. Yes we had to build another diesel unit for the purpose of removing the H2S (sulfur) from the diesel, so yes it costs more to make. But we convert the H2S to liquid sulfur for fertilizer.

We use what we call Off Gas which is some of the lighter gasses from the towers to run our boilers. We sell the propane and besides the off gas is heavier than propane and more efficient.
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Old January 7th, 2019, 09:00   #7
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Running joke for new hires was that the “off gas” was actually collected from local restrooms.

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Forgot about the ULSD. Yes we had to build another diesel unit for the purpose of removing the H2S (sulfur) from the diesel, so yes it costs more to make. But we convert the H2S to liquid sulfur for fertilizer.

We use what we call Off Gas which is some of the lighter gasses from the towers to run our boilers. We sell the propane and besides the off gas is heavier than propane and more efficient.
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Nice, haven't heard that but have to remember it.
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