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Old Yesterday, 08:23   #6211
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So, yes, what I'm talking about is something that - in California (and IIRC a couple other states copied that) - landlords that supply parking are required to allow the tenant to install, at the tenant's expense, for the tenant's use, but that landlords are not required to supply.

It's not charging supplied by the landlord.
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In the interest of accurate information, I found this overview of the California charging station law: http://astanehelaw.com/2020/01/21/ho...icles-at-home/
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Huh, it didn't flag it for me.
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Don't think it's dangerous. And it's interesting, although pretty complex. And I can't help but wonder why a tenant with a one-year lease would go to the expense of installing a charging station. Seems it would be easier to use a public one: CA probably has more than any other state.
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The million dollar liability insurance is ridiculous. They should just require GFCI protection and inspection/installation by a certified electrician. I think the issue will mostly resolve itself as EV adoption grows exponentially and tenants demand the infrastructure.

We carry $1MM liability policy for our business. It costs $535/year. So it's really not THAT big of a deal. Let's not inflate things out of perspective.
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Old Yesterday, 20:01   #6217
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A business is quite different than an individual tenant. Also, $500+ is not a trivial amount for many renters. In any case, the insurance isn't required if the charging station is UL certified (or certified by any of the roughly 20 nationally recognized testing laboratories) and installed by a licensed electrician.

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For the past two years my daughter rented a studio apartment in downtown LA while she was in law school. Rent with one parking space was just over $2K/month. One bedrooms in her building run $2,800 - $3,500. I don't think another $40 or $50 for insurance on a charging station will break many renters' budgets.
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For the past two years my daughter rented a studio apartment in downtown LA while she was in law school. Rent with one parking space was just over $2K/month. One bedrooms in her building run $2,800 - $3,500. I don't think another $40 or $50 for insurance on a charging station will break many renters' budgets.
Wow. How about the cost of a parking space in crowded expensive neighborhoods? Space that could have been converted into another studio apt. at $3K a month! But sure, if there's a space, why not get a charging station there at apt dwellers' expense.
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Before I started this last debate I was thinking more along the lines of several spots with charging available to tenants. Build them when the building is going up. May or may not tie them together with specific apartment units for close access.

Also tying the parking spot to the unit allows the cost to be part of the rent. Probably market it the same way hybrids commonly add some extra features to justify the added price.

I was not even thinking about installing in existing properties, thou maybe a tax credit to incentivize owners to add them as improvements would help.

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For clarification, this is from the article linked by turbobrick:
Do Tenants Need to Carry Insurance to Install an EV Charging Station at a Rental Property?
Yes, California’s EV Charging Station Law requires tenants to obtain personal liability insurance coverage to cover property damage and personal injury caused by the EV charging station. Civil Code 1947.6(h). With policy limits not to exceed ten times annual rent for the unit, the policy must remain in full force and effect so long as the EV charging station exists or until the tenant vacates. Id.

However, tenants do not need to obtain insurance if:

The EV charging station was certified by a nationally recognized testing laboratory, as approved by OSHA; and,
A licensed electrician performed the EV charging station and related electrical work.


Using IBW's example of $3000 a month for rent in LA. The liability insurance would max out at $360,000. Not needed at all if a licensed contrator does the install. I couldn't imagine doing a charging station install at an apartment myself anyway. Maybe in my house where I have a couple of unused 440 hookups.
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For the past two years my daughter rented a studio apartment in downtown LA while she was in law school. Rent with one parking space was just over $2K/month. One bedrooms in her building run $2,800 - $3,500. I don't think another $40 or $50 for insurance on a charging station will break many renters' budgets.
Many could afford the extra expense, and for many it would be a burden. It really depends on the policy premium. $10-20 a month- not a big deal. I looked up the average 1 bedroom apt. rent out of curiosity and, unsurprisingly, it varies tremendously by region: California- $1700, Mass.-$2200, Ohio- $750, nationally-$1100. My asst. DA cousin in Manhattan paid north of $3k for her tiny one bedroom(before she married and started a family), while her sister rented a two bedroom house with a large lawn in Austin for $1100.
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That isn't happening in Austin anymore. I doubt you can rent a place anywhere for $1100 now.
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It is a fast growing city. I think her rent might have gone up to 1200 in 2018- the last year she rented that house. The property taxes on the place went through the roof in the last five years or so. The value was all in the lot- after the landlord sold it, the new owner gave away the house. It got jacked up and hauled off to somewhere on the outskirts of town. But I do think there are some good assistance programs in Austin for low income households. The new Mueller(the old airport)development comes to mind.
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