water pump failure 47000

Water pump failed at 47xxx miles which caused havoc with the timing belt, cylinder heads and a bit of valve tweaking.

I was dissapointed to say the least.

Never have I had a car with so many little problems...radio quit at 2300, cruise control had a on/off again tendency, excessive brake wear and currently the above stated problem.

VW refused to cover any of the repair. Regoinal rep was contacted and politely said, "piss off." Good enough.

In closing I have one good thing to say of the VW Tdi, the mileage was nearly as good as my 1985 Honda CRX.

Hope the rest of you fair better with these little diesel boxes

These cars are junk.I'm going to get rid of my 98 NB soon.VW sucks thats why the advertise drivers wanted.GM people in motion.i'm getting my chevy back

Trolling for goodies, are we?? Troll..troll..troll..troll..troll..troll..troll..

Water pump IS covered under 100K mi. warranty if you are the original owner and the faliure of the pump caused all that damage it should be covered. If the car is man. trans. the belt was not overdue for replacement so there really is no excuse that VW can use to deny the claim. Contact the regional office (where the reps boss & boss' boss works), file w/ the BBB, write to VWoA in MI. Don't let them get away with it!

I think somebody is full of BS NYTDI....

If the pump fails it will just leak. Of course you could change the belt but keep in mind the coolant will not harm rubber components, would I change the belt if it had 20,000+ miles left, probably not.

If the pump housing snapped off or the bearing seized that's of course another issue. But if the bearing actually seized then your looking at a warranty either way.

DB

Total BS

These Water pumps are PITA, The bearing doesnt have to seize Folks all it has to do is get wear in it and start giving the timming belt slack and, If she gets enough slack Whamo right into the mess of pistons Beating the valves to he?? and back, Surley to god VWOA Could have put the water pump Back where the IDI Engines pump was, Bad enough a Person has to worrie about the belt Breaking and Blowing a Engine, But to stick the water pump out their and Make more worries is Redicoulus, Ford escort Diesel's Had the Same set up, Ughhhhhhhhhh Whene will they ever Just once Make a Decent Diesel thats supposed to be Like a Diese, Low Maintnace Cost, Reliable, Ect Ect

Mercedes already has, but for some reason they stopped in 1986.

Troll

blownTDI:

Just curious how you came up with your name?

Well, Steve, if you read his message, then you'd probably be able to figure that blown here means blown up as in broken or no good any more. This is as opposed to blown as in a pressurized intake from a supercharger or turbocharger.

Troll Alert! The powertrain warranty would have covered it if this were a genuine story. While it's possible that a water pump could fail at 47K, I've never heard of it. One forum member's pump failed just short of 120K, but that's the only water pump failure I've heard of in 2 1/2 years here.

What motivates trolls, anyway? Lack of sex?

-mickey

p.s. By the way, a friend of mine used to have a CRX HX. The mileage was not as good as my Bug, which weighs about 800 pounds more than his little tin box weighed...and has much fatter tires. Who do you think you're going to convince here?

p.p.s. Even if he bought the car USED the powertrain warranty is still 50,000 miles. What a sorry attempt at a lie.

[ July 20, 2001: Message edited by: mickey ]

I wrote down his IP address so we'll know who he is when he starts signing up under aliases.

Trolls are not only losers...they're not very imaginative, either. Same pattern every time. Troll, *****, alias, move on. In that order.

-mickey

I still have an active thread on water pumps:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=17&t=002352

There was a guy from Finland, GolfComfort, whose belt failed at 77,000 km. A German member, dieselkraft, noted that some early pumps failed early, caused much damage.

If the pulley is starting to wobble the timing belt tensioner should take up most if not all the slack since it is an automatic tensioner unlike the one on the older IDI diesels.

Secondly if the pump is "wobbling" that bad your going to hear it as well as lose coolant from the seal in the pump housing. If you continue to drive despite a flashing coolant light, leaking coolant, screaching noises from a failing bearing then you sort of deserve it.

I Can't say that I have ever heard of a pump just all out failing without notice. There is always some indicator that something is about to fail. There is always that chance that a shaft can fail if there is a major defect in the metals used. If that is the case it will happen farely early in the pumps life.

Personally I don't see any probelms with the setup and I like the timing belt better than the chain due to cost considerations and timing accuracy. If Gears were an option then I would favor that above all but there not, so I deal with what I have been dealt.

DB

It may be difficult to believe, but my story checks out. Call Westside VW in St. Louis Park, MN. Check it out. Mickey you are not the God you believe you are in regards to TDI knowledge.

I have driven many cars high mileage without a single failure. Ex. Plymouth Neon 202k no problems, Ford Ranger 178K no problems. I drive high miles for a living and was expecting this car to live up to the hype. Unfortunately the company failed to back up their mediocre-performing product with promised service.

In closing I hope this failure doesnt happen to any of you as it it a PITA.

So long.

p.s. Get a real driver in a Honda CRX hf(ie: non-jackass NASCAR wannabe type) and it will deliver exceptional mileage in equal to if not in excess of any TDI.

Geez, this is on a 2001 Golf?

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p.s. Get a real driver in a Honda CRX hf(ie: non-jackass NASCAR wannabe type) and it will deliver exceptional mileage in equal to if not in excess of any TDI.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

um I don't know about that - try buying a NEW car with the same kinda stuff - find me a new car with the leg room adn head room (head room most important) of a Golf or New Beetle - then throw the TDI engine in there.

No contest.

Oh yeah how about driveable power + fuel economy?

ain't no way a CRX will match teh accel of a TDI and get close to a TDI fuel economy. Sure it might be faster but at what price?

Another thing.

The VW should cover this 100% no questions asked. Call another dealer - do what ever it takes - this is a clear cut warranty issue and VW should take care of it for you.

I would rather have a High quality product with average service than a below average product (all teh cars you have mentioned to date in your posts) with above average serivce.

You can never make up for a poor product but you can always compensate for poor service

Well-you are either a troll-or are spineless!!! VW HAS to cover this under warranty-even if you are not the original owner-it is STILL covered as Mickey suggested. Find another dealer-or call VWOA. What did you have for breakfast-milktoast???

Actually BlownTDi we aren't questioning that this happened to you, that all began after you said that VW denied your warranty coverage on this issue.

So which is it? Was this covered under the VW warranty and if not, what was their reason for denying coverage. PROVE you are not a troll!!

I'm pretty sure, but not positive, that the waterpump is not on the list of the components under the 100 k warranty. They'll read a list of which parts are covered if you call the 800 number (I know). But if a part that's not covered causes the subsequent failure of stuff that is covered, must it be covered?

Everything driven by the timing belt EXCEPT the diesel fuel injection pump is covered in the 10/100 warranty.

blownTDI:

Check this link out!