HELP! Remote (Hella Banjo) not programing

OK I replaced my remote batteries last night (HUGE mistake) and now can't get it reprogrammed
(they are 3.1v each and installed correct and contacts cleaned)

STATE OF CAR;

For past year passenger door will not operate lock with remote or other locks/buttons only works manually.

For past year Hatch will not unlock electrically BUT when you unlock it with key it will unlock drivers door (not passenger door, *above*)

ALL THAT SAID,, if we would lock the passenger door manually the drivers door would lock with remote and the horn would beep giving you the knowledge the alarm set.

Now when trying to program remote I have manually locked the passenger door prior.

I insert main key into ignition
Turn ignition on
Put valet key into driver's door and lock it
Try the remote buttons 2 seconds between and NOTHING ever happens

I did notice when I lock the car completely, manually now (my only option)
The alarm LED does not come on nor any horn honk

Before with remote the horn would beep but sadly I can not confirm if LED was working since I never paid attention

So,, as of now I can drive the car, lock the car BUT have NO remote,,

IS MY PASSENGER DOOR THE ISSUE?
Or am I missing something?

Can I do this with Rosstech VCDS (vagcom)?

THANKS for any help, advice!!!

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I don't think the passenger door is the issue, the remote should still work, just not necessarily on that door.

I couldn't get that programming method to work either but followed the how to on myturbodiesel using vagcom, eventually got it all working on something like the 5th attempt lol

COOL! I will look that up

THANKS

I know there were also Clarion Banjo remotes and they may program that way and I may have the wrong method,,

Our owners manual got stuck in the hatch when our daugher used it in college and a bottle of windshield washer fluid leaked through it and it ended up being a "Block" of paper,, I had done this years ago with no issue,, from our owner's manual

lee157 said:

ALL THAT SAID,, if we would lock the passenger door manually the drivers door would lock with remote and the horn would beep giving you the knowledge the alarm set.

Put valet key into driver's door and lock it
Try the remote buttons 2 seconds between and NOTHING ever happens

I did notice when I lock the car completely, manually now (my only option)
The alarm LED does not come on nor any horn honk

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If you manually lock the passenger door and the remote can lock the car I would think the passenger side has a problem thinking the door is open.
Even if the dome light is out.

I thought I read you put the valet key in the ignition to program the other keys in the door. Not 100% sure on this.

Last part, the alarm won't activate if it thinks a door is open.

I would think VCDS should be able to check this but have not used it for this.
Run a full scan for codes outside of the engine?

Yeah I don't know,,

The alarm always set properly with the remote up UNTIL I swapped batteries.

That is why I figured the door was being recognized as locked
I DO know this,, if we did NOT manually lock the passenger door I KNEW it because the horn would not honk.

Same thing if hood is not latched or hatch is open

I went through and dropped the hood again and opened/closed the hatch

I'm just wondering if I have the WRONG programming method or if something needs to be re-set somewhere,,,

Just frustrating,, my WORST complaint on that car has ALWAYS been that security system,, I'm not worried about my car being stolen, we don't live in that type of area that it's a concern

BESIDE that,, that is why I buy insurance,,

I WISH they would have made it possible to turn the system off.

We have an 06 Jetta and I replaced remote battery maybe a month ago and NEVER had to look up programming instructions, it just worked after,,
(I think I didn't look anything up anyway,, I KNOW I did not go through all this)

In my mind the security system worked up until I swapped batteries so I would think the locks were all registering "Locked" or it would not have honked.

Are there any OTHER programming methods on the remote besides Vag?

Eventually I will dig out the laptop and check it out,,

Does anyone know the sequence in Vag to do this??


THANKS FOR HELPING IT IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED
THAT IS WHY I LOVE THIS FORUM AND RUN MY TDI PLATE COVERS!!!

Interesting, 2 people with the same problem.
I know I changed one of my batteries and did not have this problem.
My 2nd fob died and the fob led does not blink with button push even with new batteries.

Was wondering if this was the '98 or the '06, but I guess it doesn't matter for basic fob operation.
Replacing the batteries shouldn't affect anything.
Check the re-program instructions, don't remember using the valet key to do that.
If it just seems to not communicate, there are some write-ups on boosting the reception antenna (a wire) near the fuse box. First try holding the fob right next to that spot (upper drivers door hinge), if that works boost the reception.
You have at least one bad door switch, complicating the diagnose.
Check any fuses that might be involved. Guessing you've already done this.

lee157 said:

That is why I figured the door was being recognized as locked
I DO know this,, if we did NOT manually lock the passenger door I KNEW it because the horn would not honk.

I'm just wondering if I have the WRONG programming method or if something needs to be re-set somewhere,,,

Are there any OTHER programming methods on the remote besides Vag?
Eventually I will dig out the laptop and check it out,,

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The doors locking if the right door was locked is why I thought something in the passengers door.

The only thing I remember was something about using the valet key in the ignition and programing the fob's in the door lock.
Key on # seconds, buttons on the fob, turn the key, all in a time frame.

Could be wrong programing method.

Do you have VCDS / VCDS Lite?
Scan for codes.
Block 46 - Central Convenience

OK,,, so I got one remote to work,,

In the process of messing with all this I discovered one key lock had the pot metal lugs broken on the end of the tumbler.

So I removed both lock sets stuck them in an ultrasonic cleaner, pulled them apart, cleaned them up and bought a kit off ebay (hundreds of them on ther so must be common problem)

Both lock sets work like new now,,

AND when I was playing with them I noticed when I manually lock my PASSENGER door with the key it arms the alarm,,
The drivers door does not (so must be a problem there that HAS been my problem all along)

So I did the procedure BUT with passenger door and my key fob programmed but can't get the 2nd one to program,,

Maybe I was supposed to do them both at once?

ANYWAY,,, very happy that I programmed the BETTER remote and my door locks work like butter now,,,

Sure it's not 100% yet BUT better than before

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Great.

What procedure did you use, 2 keys or VCDS?

I was in "What the hell let's give it a try" mode so yeah I used the two keys

Just curious on how I should have gotten both remotes programmed?

Can't get my original programmed now,

The one I programmed I bought off ebay a several years ago and was in much better condition I just never programmed it,,,,

I think it's because of same issue now,,, couldn't get 2nd programmed,,

Been a long time ago but I think I remember trying and giving up

At time wasn't sure if remote was good or not (ya know ebay) but it was obviously good since it works now,,

lee157 said:

Just curious on how I should have gotten both remotes programmed?

Can't get my original programmed now,

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If you use the 2 key method you put the valet key in the ignition and program 1 new key in the drivers door.
Once its working then you do the next.

Next thing, there's a limit to how many remotes (including the valet key) you can have.
May be only 4 or 8 total iIrc.
I never did it or checked it but I think there's a block you go to with VCDS to set the number of keys and delete the bad or missing ones.

I know I've read about it here in the past, maybe search a bit.
Also there's someone that sells the remotes and cuts the keys from a picture that had some info on their web site.
I lost a lot of my favorites when I upgraded to Windy 10, can't find the link.

Also Ross-Tech has some immobilizer block info:
Maybe search there for more info on the remotes.?

http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/Immo3-measuring-blocks.html

Is this similar to what you used to program?
There is a setting in "46 - Cent. Conv." or "35 - Cent. Locking" (depending on year and make/model) telling it how many keys, I'm guessing that would currently be set to 2.
This may also help

That's it

The video lead into another that might help these guys.
No key in the ignition.
Put the key to be programed in the door lock.
Turn key to lock & wait a few seconds. (4 to 5)
Turn key to unlock.
Take key out and try the buttons.

Yeah I don't have a "Key" to program

Mine is the "BANJO" shaped FOB that mounts to a key ring
I have separate keys,, don't think they have anything electronic in them
At least no way to put a battery in them,,

This is a 98 Beetle so it would be VERY EARLY alarm system,,

lee157 said:

Yeah I don't have a "Key" to program
Mine is the "BANJO" shaped FOB that mounts to a key ring
I have separate keys,, don't think they have anything electronic in them
At least no way to put a battery in them,,

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From your original post:
"OK I replaced my remote batteries last night (HUGE mistake) and now can't get it reprogrammed"
I think the "BANJO shaped FOB" you are referring to is the valet key, no buttons to push.
I was referring to the remotes with the battery.
There was a YouTube video about replacing the battery and the buttons not working again.
Am I off on a tangent again?

This should clear it up,, it's a HELLA Banjo remote

There were also clarion remotes, they are both factory equipment

The keys are separate pieces

The pic shows my Valet key that is Identical to my standard key
only difference is no wrench pictured on it and it's cut slightly different to not allow access to the hatch and maybe glove dept.

So basically I have two identical sets of what is pictured and that is what came with the car when it was new, they are the old style,,,

It used to have a RED panic button in the circle,,

Should work the same, have you been able to check if the CCM is set to 2?

I did not know about the banjo key.
I seem to learn something here almost daily.

BobnOH said:

Should work the same, have you been able to check if the CCM is set to 2?

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Have not hooked it up to laptop and may be a good while before I do since I am at least better off than before I replaced batteries.

My driver's door does NOT activate the alarm when I manually lock it so I must have something wrong with the electrics or mechanics on that lock mechanism.

The door locks and alarm activates by remote and by manually locking passenger door so I guess that was my issue all along,,

One day I'll figure out how to get 2nd remote programmed but we have gotten by with one remote since 2003 with the car and we drive it much less now,,