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Old March 23rd, 2020, 13:08   #61
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Indigo,

I'm in Essex County MA. I've seen RUG @ $1.95 in many places, and diesel @ $2.7 in places.
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Old March 23rd, 2020, 14:04   #62
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Good to know. Hasn't happened here yet, but might soon.
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Old March 23rd, 2020, 14:19   #63
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Can we get back to the original subject of this thread please?
Yes we can change the title of this thread to: Gasoline SUVs and Trucks Make Yet Another Comeback as a Hot Commodity
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Old March 23rd, 2020, 16:05   #64
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If this were normal times, I would say that once again oil prices have dropped to the point of stopping sales of more econimical forms of transportation. However, these prices are reflecting two major factors that effect pump pricing.
One: The Saudis are punshing the Russians with extremely low barrel pricing and flooding the market to keep the Russians out.
Two: The world is on lockdown. Even those going out are limiting the distance and time behind the wheel. Much less fuel getting burned, so stock piles grow. There will come a time in the near futrue where the refineries will start cutting back production becasue they have no where to put the refined fuels.
Either one of these has tradtionally slowed or stopped the sales of hybrids, diesels, or electric vehicles. Add them together and the market faces a downturn that we have never seen. The lockdown is having a similar effect on cars sales in general. I can't tell you how amny emails I've recieved the last couple of days offering full on-line purchasing with delivery to my door. I'm also seeing more zero percent financing for 5-6-7 years and VW is even offering no payment for the first six months.
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Old March 23rd, 2020, 16:16   #65
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I think we've been in a new car sales bubble for a while. Prices have been rising, and consumers have responded by extending loan periods. The sad news is that some (maybe a lot) of people are going to find themselves unable to afford the payments and with negative equity in their car or truck. It's not going to be pretty.
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Old March 23rd, 2020, 18:24   #66
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Prices here in SE PA have plummeted, I've been paying $2.35/gal for diesel.
A pair of local gas stations seem to be having a price war that's been going
on for a couple weeks. Been a loooong time since I've seen prices that low
this neck of the woods.
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Old March 23rd, 2020, 19:47   #67
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GasBuddy just sent me a notice saying that they expected gas to drop in price by 30 to 70 cents a gallon. I've heard of a couple of places selling gas for right about a dollar a gallon. Things are changing fast due to the conditions in the world and the virus.
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Old March 24th, 2020, 16:43   #68
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Filled up in Woodsboro, MD at $1.99 for diesel last week.
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Old March 25th, 2020, 09:53   #69
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Wow, ouch! Why is RUG so high still for you all. In Atlanta we are paying $1.72 this morning with no discounts...crazy how it varies so much around the country. Agreed though, Saudis have one game, and if they blow it, its over.
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Old March 25th, 2020, 13:20   #70
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$1.34 at a station here. Somewhere had it for $1.01 the other day and sold out.
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Old March 29th, 2020, 10:31   #71
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Dunno if anyone else is driving much. I still will be, "essential services" job. You'll pry my ALH from my cold, dead hands. Buying cost (used), cost to repair, cost to operate, all are unbeatable from my perspective. IF I was in the new car market, and IF there was an EV commuter car for @$25K, with a 250 mile range, I might be interested. As a third car. Having just driven the length of the East Coast 4 weeks ago, EVs aren't there, not even close. In a Tesla, it would have added hours, maybe days to the trip. It ain't practical for long trips. Nor is paying the monthly freight on it. Since I, and many others, don't buy new cars, and hold cars for a long time, it'll be a long time before an EV is going to make sense. For me anyway. So yeah, I think there will be a pretty solid demand for TDIs until they are used up.
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Old March 29th, 2020, 11:35   #72
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$1.34 at a station here. Somewhere had it for $1.01 the other day and sold out.
I was shocked to see similar - $1.019 - for diesel here on Vancouver Island.
Of course, that's per LITRE, but still - 25% lower than it was last time I filled up.
(Doing the math - that's $3.80CAD/g = $2.70USD/g)
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Old March 30th, 2020, 16:37   #73
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I thought the exact same thing about my Jetta TDI... until I discovered EVs.
They just installed a bank of twenty Tesla super chargers one block from my home! I thought that was great and I started thinking a Tesla might be a viable option.

Then I found out it costs more to charge than buying gas. No thanks. Fail.
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Old March 30th, 2020, 17:02   #74
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Whaaaaatt?
My wife just got home from going to pick up some eggs (free!) - about 12km away. She took her A3 e-tron and made it there and back all-electric. She asked me how much electricity it costs (deciding whether it was worth the trip for free eggs).

Max usable battery is ~6.5kWh, so at most, let's say 6kWh x $.12/kWh from BC Hydro = $0.72. No way we could make it 25km on 1L of fuel in a TDI, so even with diesel at $1.00/L, TDI is still more ~50% more expensive (albeit a lot closer than it was a couple months ago).

Is there a significant electricity surcharge that Tesla applies at those superchargers?

(Oh - side-bonus: I think we've found our pandemic egg supply. )
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Yes, Tesla superchargers are expensive.

It varies slightly depending where you go, but the average works out to about $30 (Canadian) for 400km. Slightly more expensive than my TDI.

Now, I know someone is going to say “but you can charge it at home cheaper.” We’ll no, houses are millions of dollars here, so I have a condo instead. Nowhere to charge at home.

I would therefore be relying on the nearby superchargers. So for me, an EV doesn’t work.
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