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Old January 30th, 2020, 06:40   #16
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IBW: that sounds reasonable. I've used the Total in my TDI before but not in the Bluetec. Currently running M1 ESP 5w30 which was on sale at Walmart. I'm also seeing other domestics (Pennzoil Platinum Euro, Valvoline MST) that meet the 229.52 and LL-04 spec, so I definitely have options. I do like to get everything I need at once in a kit, like idparts offers.

Thanks Pete. I wasn't particularly looking for a BMW either, just for a diesel SUV to replace my Jetta with. In fact, I was looking specifically for another Bluetec like a GLK250 or ML250 but nothing was showing up in the price and mileage range I wanted.

I had read a lot on the V6 TDI and decided to skip the Touaregs/Q7s/Cayennes and Q5. Even with the extended emissions warranty, they gave me significant pause. It didn't help that the model years in my price range were 2012s or so; the wife said they're too old and I agreed.

Those 7 series diesels are even more rare than the A8. I've seen probably one or two over the years. This X3 looks common, as many are coming off lease and getting bought as CPOs but I do get doubletakes as people try to figure out what the letters mean on the driver and passenger side doors. I tend to scoot well before they can see it too well anyhow...
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Old January 30th, 2020, 08:12   #17
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I had read a lot on the V6 TDI and decided to skip the Touaregs/Q7s/Cayennes and Q5. Even with the extended emissions warranty, they gave me significant pause. It didn't help that the model years in my price range were 2012s or so; the wife said they're too old and I agreed.

Interesting, I thought that the V6 TDI was regarding as being pretty reliable. Ours has been. Its the other "wear" items that are a bit pricey on the Touareg. The Q5 seems most comparable to the X3d.
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Old January 31st, 2020, 08:24   #18
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I kept reading about timing chain failures and outrageous replacement costs. And with the "fix" they burn through DEF at much higher rates, along with continued worries about the DPF.

My budget was $20k or under and I couldn't find anything newer than 2013s with pretty high mileage within 100 miles of me. I had been looking for about 6 months and drove several Touaregs in that time, as well as a few Q7s.

The size of the X3 is just right for my needs, and the mileage/power combo was optimal for my 200-mile daily commute. I can always add more power with a tune, but for now I'm just getting to know it.

At what mileage did you obtain your Touareg? They are indeed rather pricey to maintain.
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Old February 11th, 2020, 17:12   #19
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Pardon me if I hop on this thread, curious if there are any longer term feedback on the X3.
Looking at diesel Q5 and X3 as a new vehicle for my wife.
Going with a Q5 is an easy choice but it’s almost as much vehicle as my Touareg. X3 seems to check a lot of the boxes for her, though I’m a little hesitant. No BMW dealer within 3.5 hrs of here. I do almost everything our cars require but there will undoubtedly be a dealer thing at some point.
Only notable X3 issue I’m aware of is the bevel box (not a transfer case sine it has no ranges) has an elevated failure rate, but that opinion comes from perusing the 3 series diesels 2 years back.
Thanks for anything anyone has to share.
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Old February 11th, 2020, 18:52   #20
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Can't comment on the car but I can on the transfer case. Jason from Jason's TD repair in Wisconsin is a BMW enthusiast. He says if you change the gear oil in the transfer case every 40-60K miles you won't have a problem. People don't like to do it because the gear oil is $90/liter. But it only takes about 8 oz.
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Old February 12th, 2020, 06:40   #21
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People don't like to do it because the gear oil is $90/liter. But it only takes about 8 oz.
Well, the gear oil is expensive plus on some BMW's (not sure about the X3) the transfer case is a pain to access and service (you have to drop the exhaust to get to it, then there's no drain plug so either suck the old fluid out or remove and invert the thing to drain). I've got two of them - lovely cars but not always friendly to service...
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Old February 12th, 2020, 07:05   #22
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Don't think you have to drop the exhaust on the 328d.

And people wonder why I avoid AWD. :-)
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Old February 12th, 2020, 07:59   #23
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For most maintenance items, it seems to me that the X3 diesel is manageable for the enthusiast with some experience. The air filter and its assembly basically snap off the top of the engine once the cover is popped off.

I like that the DEF refill is inside the fuel filler door, not in the trunk somewhere.

The oil filter is a bit of a pain only because one must first remove the air filter assembly to get easy access to it.

It has a dipstick to facilitate vacuum extraction of oil.

The fuel filter is a bit of a pain since it's under the car, but it doesn't need to be done too often (book says every 5th oil change, but I prefer to go by mileage).

The transmission and driveline are items I'd let a pro drain and refill. For one, I don't like getting under there if I don't have to. Two, those fluids stink and I don't want to get them on me, my clothes, or my garage floor. Three, they're done rarely and not worth the headache to potentially mess up. I paid a few hundred for all driveline fluids to be replaced on my Bluetec at around 60k miles and I'll pay to do them again at 120k miles.

Same goes for Bim.

I was in the same boat as you, trying to decide on which diesel AWD would be my next vehicle and the X3 won out. If you commute a lot and fuel economy matters, the X3 4-cyl will return no less than 32MPG and more than likely 34-36.

The V6 TDI is thirsty no matter what chassis it powers, and the potential of the timing chain(s) to go bad prematurely (along with continued DPF issues even post-fix) steered me away from them.

Good luck and all the best in your search.
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Old February 12th, 2020, 12:29   #24
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People don't like to do it because the gear oil is $90/liter. But it only takes about 8 oz.
Wait, what? That seems like an awful small fill capacity for a transfer case (if that's the correct term in AWD systems).

If it's got to hold up to 40-60K miles with only 8oz to go around, it's no wonder the stuff's so pricey. Must be some serious wunderfluid...
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Old February 12th, 2020, 18:27   #25
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Thanks one and all for the responses.
Q5 or X3 it will be wife’s car. ‘14 Touareg and I have a great relationship.
I believe the box is referred to as a bevel box. Fluid volume is small because the thing is physically small, probably doesn’t have any clutches, etc inside, just gears and a few bearings. Costly little box to purchase so I’d spend $100 on fluid every 30k and hope it got to 150 before wearing out.
For my purposes I don’t characterize the Touareg as thirsty. My Touareg reliably did 29-30, 90% of the time refill at same pump, hand calculated average on the receipt (have every one for last 4 years). 4 weeks post fix it’s looking like 26-28.
If my wife couldn’t get +34 out of an X3 id be disappointed. Our old ALH golf would do 47 with me driving it, she would easily get 53. I’m sure it could do so again if I’d ever put a clutch in it and put it back on the road.
Both Q5 and X3 have + and - that seem to offset, but a lot will depend on what she likes when she drives them. Most likely doing a road trip down to Boston this weekend to check some out.
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I bought my 328d X-Drive as a CPO in 2016 w/37k on it to replace a 2003 328xi (E46) w/120k. This diesel now has 63k & gets 45mpg highway.
I had the transfer case and trans fluid changed at 40k according to ZF's (the manufacturer) recommendation. I do not believe in BMW'S" life time fill" unless the transmission has +80k on it....then there may be issues with slippage.
I've had no problems mechanically with this car. Unfortunately, I do not trust my dealer 100% (maybe 75%). It seems they ALWAYS find a bent rim or bubble in a tire or something beyond routine maintenance.
Nevertheless, I'm very happy with the car. I HOPE it lasts 200k, then I'll be ecstatic.
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Old February 18th, 2020, 08:03   #27
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So far so good on mine as well. I've been doing lots of reading over on the diesel subforum of bimmerpost and it seems the 3er had quite a few issues with the transfer cases. Something about the spline shaft wearing and guibo not absorbing the vibrations and such. Plenty of folks have upgraded those (guibos) and added Loctite to the spline to prevent wear (https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/fo...play.php?f=488 for more posts).

My X3 is currently returning between 33 and 36 MPGs depending on road/traffic/weather conditions and I'm very happy with it. (I've also ordered my Kerma Qpro software update, but that may be a separate thread.)

Planning on having all the driveline fluids replaced at or before 60K, since most of my 200-mile daily drive is freeway.
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Congrats on the purchase!

Have to agree with the transmission fluid. I have an X5 35i 18mpg , the transmissions fluid and oil should be changed more frequently than suggested if planning to get the most out of the car. I do the 15k oil change at the dealer, but I do an additional halfway on my own.

Same as any german, keep up with the maintenance and she should treat you well.
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Thanks @WrEkkED, that's my plan. I'll provide updates here for anyone interested.

@mech644, any progress on making a decision?
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Welcome to the BMW diesel world. If you're on FB, this group can be kind of resourceful: https://www.facebook.com/groups/NABDOG/

There are a few wise arses, but as long as you're not asking the dreaded "which oil should I use" or "I pulled this code from a generic code reader; what's wrong with my car?", they will give you insightful answers.
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