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Old March 20th, 2013, 19:50   #31
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What we NEED is a European TDIFest. The first Fest was in 2000. A 15th Anniversary TDIFest in Germany would be fricken awesome!!! Can anyone say track day at the Nürburgring??
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Old March 20th, 2013, 20:37   #32
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I hear it's for sale. Can we get another raffle going to make it Fredsburgring?
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Old March 21st, 2013, 18:19   #33
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Chris,
Performance events have been part of past fests. There have been incidents. These 'incidents' are a inconvenience when you have to winch the car back onto its trailer for the tow back home, but a real pain in the @$$ when you, the wife and kids have to limp it back home under its own power.
and we're cheapskates. How much is a track day rental? Now split that 12 ways. How much per participant is that?
We've piggy-backed on other events but even at that there weren't all that many participants. 1/8 mile drags in 2000, maybe 15 participants, and a shattered R&P.
Speed week on Bonneville in 2001, maybe 8 participants, and a blown turbo and a damaged C/V. Autocrossing in 2001 as well. I think I was the only one from the TDI fest to participate in that.
We've set up our own courses, deliberately designed to make the steering wheel spin faster than the tires, and we've still had incidents (King of Prussia, PA).
Track day at Mosport for the Burlington / Toronto fest, there were two of us.
Autocrossing on the Grattan track for the Grand Rapids fest, again two participants.
Historically there hasn't been enough interest to warrant a dedicated performance venue, but that's not reason to not ask if THIS might be the year.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 12:05   #34
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Track days are not cheap..If I recall $300 for all day 8am to 5PM catered Breakfast and Lunch. The day starts with a meet and great, moves onto a safety orientation, then track time, lunch, and more track time.

What do you get for that ...2 if not 3 safety corner workers in every corner and an Ambulance and crew (If not 2)standing by all day. The biggest proportion of cost is for the safety staff. The Track Safety team would also do an hour safety brief so EVERYONE understands the Flagging Signals to avoid compounded incidents.

Groups would be devided by experience ... but since there are no racers in the TDI club then the grouping would be divided by experience of a undetermined measuring stick. But letz say 2 groups ..some with experience and the other with none.

That said ... sessions on track would run on twenty minute intervals for each group.

Generally an hour off for Lunch

So letz see, say 20 participants that's 6000$

Thats 6 hours track time divided by 20 minutes. I say 6 hrs on track because the organization of groups probably eats up time between sessions. Thats 6 hrs clean barring any incidents. Less if there are incidents.

That would make it (9) 20 minute sessions per group for a total of 180 mins on track at a cost of 100$ an hour. But in most track days 7 to 8 session are more realistic because there are incidents as you said.

But rules are instituted to avoid incidents. Like no passing in corners , passing only on a chosen side, no passing the group lead car..etc., etc. etc.

Crashes are crashes and you have to live with that and they are pointedly driver error, mechanicals are mechanicals, if a turbo blows it was meant to blow, wheither on the track or one day on your daily commute.

If and I say if; a track day event were too occur your mental state has to be willing to suck it up. As long as NO ONE GETS HURT it's a successful event. Regardless of cost EVERYONE I have ever known that participated in a track day will do it again because just being able to let your vehicle or bike stretch it's legs on a track; thinks it was worth every penny spent.

Just because we drive TDI's does not mean we own the term cheapskate. Everyone counts there pennies. Because thats the nature of todays society...some are just cheaper then others. I had a friend who had been riding bikes for 20 years and showed up at my 1st track day. He was angry at me because I was running my bike on track and had only been riding bikes for a year. I looked at him lanquished in his anger and said the only reason your "pissed" at me is because your to cheap to buy a track day. He laughed and said I was right. He treated himself to a track day a few years later.

Thus, to have a track day it must be well thought out and well planned. Be willing to pay to play. Understand that crashes happen and catastrophic mechanicals do occur and you must have the mindset to accept that without whineing. Lastly SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY is the most important factor in the success of the event because EVERYONE wants to go home safely.

However, my previous posts were not about track days they were about Motorsports Facilities being a great place to have an event because they cater to motorsports events wheither you use the track or not.

Now that was an interesting exercise...which I opted to explain because you asked.

Motorsports Road Race courses are all over the USA and in Canada mostly in Eastern Canada with Mt. Tremblant having the nicest of those in Canada. Your from MA so I quess your familiar with Loudan which was my home track when I was racing bikes. I heard a group was building a nice club track in Tamworth NH, but, to be honest I don't know if that ever came to be. I know they timbered the land but thats the last I heard of that project. For people living in N.E. such as yourself there are a fair number of tracks to check out. Watkins Glen, Loudan, Limerock, Poconos, and NJ Motorsports Park. I know that Limerock and NJMSP host American LeMans racing. Maybe I'll see you there as a spectator at one oof those venues ..eh?

Lug_Nut thanks for asking the question and I hope my answer helped.

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Old March 24th, 2013, 23:04   #35
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I vote the 2014 Fest should be in New England. Maybe Maine... oh, wait...
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Old March 25th, 2013, 00:34   #36
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Maybe it's a "Chris" thing, but I am with Chris Rose on the track activity thing! I attend a lot of diesel events each year, some are low key and some are very serious with a lot of money on the line and professional competitors vying for the top of the podium. Some are very family oriented friendly events and I have drag raced my '06 Jetta TDI at both types of events, with the truck guys cheering me on!!! (In fact at one event my Jetta had more HP per/liter on the dyno than all but TWO of the trucks!!!) In all of the diesel events there are amateur entries too with dyno competitions, sled pulls and drag racing. Obviously the hypermiler crowd wouldn't want to do anything performance related, but I am sure there are some guys that would love to open up their TDI in a SAFE environment. I think 1/8-mile drags and dyno pulls are perfect for TDI guys... The speeds are not excessive in 1/8-mile and getting real world power numbers is a good thing, especially after new modifications performed at the Fest.

I think the off-site nature of the dyno at the Lexington fest did hurt dyno participation, but many dynos are mobile including the ones used in Lexington. At the major diesel events I cover the dyno is one of the most popular events with a good sized crowd throughout the day.

I'd be willing to help with a Chattanooga TDIFest, AND I would be able to cover it in Diesel World magazine helping to bring more awareness to the site and TDIs in general. There is a 1/8-mile drag strip just across the GA state line from Chattanooga (about 15-20 minutes from most parts of the city or less) and I know a dyno operator that is mobile and could dyno for us. My TDI has been strapped down to his dyno many times!!! With the added bonus of the VW plant here in Chattanooga I really think it would be a GREAT location to have a TDIFest!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old March 25th, 2013, 14:30   #37
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My two cents? I don't go to TDIFest to break my car. I go to socialize and network with other owners. Also to see an area I would normally not visit.

Our trip this year to Maine will be a mini vacation for the clan. Slow drive up and back with some sightseeing.
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Obviously the hypermiler crowd wouldn't want to do anything performance related...
My friend, you have much to learn.

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My two cents? I don't go to TDIFest to break my car.
Nor do I, but it seems I have a penchant for doing exactly that, usually C/V joints.
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If I want to do track stuff, well, I have a Miata.
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My two cents? I don't go to TDIFest to break my car. I go to socialize and network with other owners. Also to see an area I would normally not visit.

Our trip this year to Maine will be a mini vacation for the clan. Slow drive up and back with some sightseeing.
Are these cars so fragile that they break every time you get on it hard??? I have run my '06 down the 1/8-mile maybe 20 times or so in the two or three times I've had it at events. Nothing broke and it was a fun experience. If something is built so that it is making SOOOO much power that it is breaking stuff on street tires on a 1/8-mile drag strip then the builder did not build the rest of the car to match the engine mods or something else shoddy is going on.

Is it not expected that a car should be able to go from a standstill through 1/8-mile of distance at full throttle??? If a TDI can't handle this abuse (which is basically like merging on to a freeway onramp) then I might have to think about getting rid of this one before it breaks on me!!!

A dyno is even easier on the car than full acceleration street runs as the load simulation rollers are more forgiving than unmovable asphalt or concrete roads and highways. I have dynoed my TDI, my Tahoe and my Duramax truck MANY times and have NEVER had issues!!!

I do see problems on the dyno sometimes at events, but it is usually when someone is pushing the limits of their setup with tons of nitrous and/or atypical turbo setups. But in general, if it is safe to drive on the street and freeway it should be safe to run on a dyno or 1/8-mile drag strip. 1/4-mile drag strips are a little more scary as the speeds are higher and driver skill can come into play as well as braking and tires at speed. And, road courses require even more driving skill and better vehicle prep. Low speed tight autocross courses are very fun too!!! And again should pose no problems for parts, cars or safety!!!

But really, don't be afraid to enjoy your car! Many Club members recommend spirited driving and the dyno and drag strip are great places to do it safely...


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Nor do I, but it seems I have a penchant for doing exactly that, usually C/V joints.
I assume that most of the high MPG crowd that plans their cross country trips to drive back roads to keep speeds low and MPG high would not want to drive their car at full acceleration capability for fear of wasting fuel and dropping their average MPG.

Personally I am a gear head and enjoy DRIVING my vehicles. I have no problem JUMPING my big 4X4 and plan to desert race it at some point when it is done, and like to use the skinny pedal a lot in whatever I am driving!!!
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If I want to do track stuff, well, I have a Miata.
Not everyone has a dedicated "Chick car" to do track stuff with! hahaha, just kidding, I know the Miatas make a good track car, but you gotta admit that they are mostly "chick cars" on the streets.

Heck VW raced the TDI Cup cars for what two years on road courses... These cars should definitely handle a dyno, 1/8-mile drags and an autocross course!!! TDIs really can't be that wimpy can they????

Heck, If we do it in Chattanooga in the future I'll run my '06 through whatever we can come up with, and I can even bring my big Duramax truck down and run it on an autocross course so that no one else will have to worry about having the slowest time!!! hahaha
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My Miata was my daily driver from when I bought it in July 1989, until I retired (for the second time) in March 2008. It's been around Sears Point, Texas Motor Speedway, and Laguna Seca. I bought my Jetta Wagon in the summer of 2011 because my then 91 year-old mother could no longer get in and out of the Miata easily (well, she could "fall" in, but getting out was a pain). Since then I've driven the Jetta more because it gets 10 more miles per gallon than the Miata. Of course there is my wife's Prius that we take on long trips, it gets at least 15 more miles per gallon than the Miata.
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Let me get this right..your talking Chattanooga..theres a VW production plant ... your part of a VW owners group ..your talking about a show and shine on a hotel roof...whats wrong with you people...you contact VW promotions at the plant or VW USA and coordinate the use of there facility for events and use of there parking areas. REALLY ... this would be an advertising coup on a bad day for VW.
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Let me get this right..your talking Chattanooga..theres a VW production plant ... your part of a VW owners group ..your talking about a show and shine on a hotel roof...whats wrong with you people...you contact VW promotions at the plant or VW USA and coordinate the use of there facility for events and use of there parking areas. REALLY ... this would be an advertising coup on a bad day for VW.

My thoughts exactly!!! If we get serious about it I have no problem making the calls to VW PR to talk about it and let them know that I will be covering the event in Diesel World magazine...

Chris, are you going to drive down if we do it here? I don't know where Florida, NY is but my wife and I drive up to Wallkill, NY to visit our son a few times a year and it is about 13-14 hours depending on how many pit stops you make and if you eat in a restaurant or in the car... Not to bad of a drive at all in our '06.

Would people seriously be interested in having it her in Chattanooga? If so lets get the ball rolling!!!
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I like Chattanooga for a meet in 2014
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