Dsg question

jason_ · Nov 12, 2017

I was loaned a 16 tsi with a dsg, and it didn't do the weird rpm load with light brake petal like my 15 does

When the brake petal is heavily pressed, the rpm in gear will be around mid 700s to 800, whatever it is without getting my face in the dash.

Wjen I begin to lift my foot, the computer applies fuel (1k rpm) and begins to drag the clutches.

I hate it.
The tsi wouldn't do anything until I applied throttle.

I was poking around the abs module on my car and I found a lot of weird entries in the adaptions. Hill hold, hill assistant percentage, which is 6%. I set it to zero and nothing changed.

Ideas?

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Blue_Hen_TDI · Nov 12, 2017

Probably a tiptronic instead of a DSG if it was a TSI.

jason_ · Nov 12, 2017

Do trip tonics say dsg on the shifter?

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Blue_Hen_TDI · Nov 12, 2017

This is the Golf MkVII subforum. I wasn't aware of a MkVII TSI (non-GTI/R) Golf in the US with DSG.

jason_ · Nov 12, 2017

Well here's the facts.

It was a cc sedan that had tsi badge. It Burned gasoline, it said dsg on the shifter knob, and it from a dealer in Michigan/USA.

And it doesn't do that weird ass stupid high idle the moment you begin to release the brake pedal when in gear like my tdi 15 does.

The moment I begin to reduce petal pressure, lifting my foot off the brake (while brake lights are still on) it's adding fuel and trying to go with clutch slip.

I hate it. And that gasser 2016 dsg didn't do it.

Curious if it's something that's changeable or a forever nuisance to me. I thought it was a dsg thing, until I drove another dsg that didn't do it.

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740GLE · Nov 13, 2017

Blue_Hen_TDI said:
This is the Golf MkVII subforum. I wasn't aware of a MkVII TSI (non-GTI/R) Golf in the US with DSG.

Alltrack and 4mo Sportwagens have DSG

but those are '17

Darth_Furious · Nov 13, 2017

The 2015 Tdi didn't have it initially. It was changed with the dieselgate fix. It should be a Tdi specific thing and not found in gassers

740GLE · Nov 13, 2017

jason_ said:
Well here's the facts.

It was a cc sedan that had tsi badge. It Burned gasoline, it said dsg on the shifter knob, and it from a dealer in Michigan/USA.

And it doesn't do that weird ass stupid high idle the moment you begin to release the brake pedal when in gear like my tdi 15 does.

The moment I begin to reduce petal pressure, lifting my foot off the brake (while brake lights are still on) it's adding fuel and trying to go with clutch slip.

I hate it. And that gasser 2016 dsg didn't do it.

Curious if it's something that's changeable or a forever nuisance to me. I thought it was a dsg thing, until I drove another dsg that didn't do it.

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Thats some good facts, one thing to realize is the tuning of each software package is different, especially for TDI vs TSI, once you start mixing in emissions stuffs. A CC DSG isn't prob going to be the same as a GTI tune.

From driving our Alltrack to our Passat back to back, I'd say they are 90% similar in initial take off, every now and then I can feel the Alltrack "think about" what it wants to do. Now the snappiness of shifts in the Passat is hands down better than the Alltrack.

What do you consider high idle when it slips the clutch? 1100 rpm?

I've heard 3rd party DSG tuning does wonders, but I don't have any first hand experience.

jason_ · Nov 13, 2017

1000rpm when in gear and I begin to reduce brake pressure.

It's annoying to me, because I have a habit of barely any brake pedal pressure when in gear at corners/stops

Not enough to let the car roll but enough to trigger the ecm to apply fuel and begin clutch slip.

It'll bounce from 700s to 1000 several times because I'm teetering the trigger point.

It's had phase 1 fix applied. Is that this reason? Or a generic vw diesel thing when matted to dsg ?

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lt313 · Nov 18, 2017

jason_ said:
1000rpm when in gear and I begin to reduce brake pressure.

It's annoying to me, because I have a habit of barely any brake pedal pressure when in gear at corners/stops

Not enough to let the car roll but enough to trigger the ecm to apply fuel and begin clutch slip.

It'll bounce from 700s to 1000 several times because I'm teetering the trigger point.

It's had phase 1 fix applied. Is that this reason? Or a generic vw diesel thing when matted to dsg ?

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Just turned in my 2009 JSW and purchased 2015 GSW. Does the same 1000 rpm at idle in gear unless you press very heavy on the brake pedal. Dealer said it was part of the phase 1 update.

Like Jason, I do not keep the break pedal mashed to the floor while sitting at a light and I'm very concerned about the accelerated wear on the clutches. Hoping one of the after market tuners can correct this but haven't contacted anyone.

Also, the JSW required very little throttle pedal movement taking off where I have to push the go pedal almost 1/2 way to the floor on the GSW just to get moving. Anyone else notice this or is it normal for the GSW.

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dubStrom · Nov 18, 2017

brake pressure to relieve DSG clutch!!!

I agree it is really abusive to the DSG.

I complained about the 2010 DSG JSW with the delay in engagement. But at least it was completely no load with light brake pressure!

I discovered the rpm drop with heavy brake pressure at about 4000 miles. More importantly, I discovered the DSG engagement with light brake pressure. WOW. How stupid. How can this possibly improve emissions? And worse, why grind away DSG clutch media while stopped (light brake pressure). DUMB.

jason_ · Nov 19, 2017

I'm actually wanting to quickly eat up my mileage warranty so I can quickly and possibly get this addressed with a tune.

I'd love to remove the half ass slip and firm up the shifting.

If prefer a quicker snap of clutch packs. I never take sips of my drink while taking off from stops.

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740GLE · Nov 20, 2017

I can confirm a tune dramatically improves tip in and throttle response. As described by another member, it’s as if the ECU was given a nice cup of coffee and decided it wants to roll.

Also a DSG tune shouldn’t affect engine warranty, but it’s your choice

jason_ · Nov 20, 2017

I'll hit both when I delete after warranty.

Delete, cp3, dsg tune in approximately 150k miles, right now 4/5 years. Funds already in the savings and car is paid off. Thanks vw.

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Forte · Nov 20, 2017

Don’t be a pussy and tune it now lol me and 740GLE have had ours tuned for a little while now. Did mine at 1,100 miles or so. Still waiting on a DSG time for my 2015 Golf but it runs much better than stock.

lt313 · Nov 21, 2017

Forte said:
Don’t be a pussy and tune it now lol me and 740GLE have had ours tuned for a little while now. Did mine at 1,100 miles or so. Still waiting on a DSG time for my 2015 Golf but it runs much better than stock.

Did the engine tune eliminate/correct the 1000 rpm issue while stopped in gear?

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jason_ · Nov 21, 2017

Seems unfortunate vw decided to turn a nice gearbox into a questionable future future.

I'm curious if it was a desperate shortcut to meet emissions? Keep turbo somewhat spoiled for when driver punches throttle? Maybe they had to do it to prevent even worse tip in lag?

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740GLE · Nov 22, 2017

lt313 said:
Did the engine tune eliminate/correct the 1000 rpm issue while stopped in gear?

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Nope, I find that you don't need to "stand" on the brakes, but agreed its more than the minimum is needed to prevent the rpm creep, nothing that really bothers me once you expect it in stop and go driving. I do find myself not creeping up anymore at red lights, probably for the best.

jason_ · Nov 22, 2017

That's the annoying part for me.

I can make the rpm bounce with brake pedal without having the vehicle inch forward at all.

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The Tortoise · Nov 22, 2017

Then just shift it into neutral.

740GLE · Nov 22, 2017

jason_ said:
That's the annoying part for me.

I can make the rpm bounce with brake pedal without having the vehicle inch forward at all.

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Are you also the type that also sits with the car in gear and feathers the clutch waiting for that green light in a manual transmission?

Also I guess its better that you play with the brake pedal than play with your phone at a red light.

Blue_Hen_TDI · Nov 22, 2017

The Tortoise said:
Then just shift it into neutral.

OK, whew. I’m not the only one thinking/doing that!

Why worry? Just slip it in neutral, or if you know the light is a really long one, shut the car off. Saves clutch and fuel.

jason_ · Nov 22, 2017

Haha, no. Actually I'm quite the opposite with a clutch. I'll just pull it out of gear without clutching with no pressure on drive train, coast to my stop, or slip it into gear if the light changes, but if a stop leave it in neutral until green, then I'll drag the disk so hard with near half throttle it's borderline dangerous from low oil pressure, and the old vw broke me of that. Too low of rpm = stall.

All my vehicles have skirt slap, gas or diesel. Haha.

Everything I drive, within a half second clutch is fully engaged and rarely ill break 1000rpm with partial clutch.

No, I don't burn clutches.

There's only a few that drive a clutch like that.

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Geist296 · Nov 22, 2017

Darth_Furious said:
The 2015 Tdi didn't have it initially. It was changed with the dieselgate fix. It should be a Tdi specific thing and not found in gassers

My 2015 GSW SEL TDI has done the rpm raise since brand new.

740GLE · Nov 27, 2017

jason_ said:
There's only a few that drive a clutch like that.

But you don't mind doing that to the DSG?

Granted is a wet clutch and will take a lot more of that kind of abuse, inching forward or fluctuating the brake peddle in a DSG is the same thing as slipping it in a MT.

jason_ · Nov 27, 2017

Hmm. Maybe I didn't explain it well enough. Appreciate your efforts.

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2015vwgolfdiesel · Nov 28, 2017

jason_ said:
I'll hit both when I delete after warranty.

Delete, cp3, dsg tune in approximately 150k miles, right now 4/5 years. Funds already in the savings and car is paid off. Thanks vw.

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....hmmmmmm

How do you (personally ) value the 162,000 warranty? -- 5 cents per mile? = $8,100

3 cents per mile? = $4,860

Owain@malonetuning · Nov 28, 2017

But can you put a price on happiness?

DSG tunes really liven these things up too, and have a proper launch control. Have had tunes for the ea288 golfs, through the diagnostic port, for over a year now, but unfortunately that is a different tool from what all our distributors have. Only have a couple of them circulating (mostly for R&D) so hopefully alientech steps up their game.

2015vwgolfdiesel · Nov 28, 2017

Owain@malonetuning said:
But can you put a price on happiness?
... snip....

In my youth they called me lead foot. Now they call me McKscrooge

As a vendor naturally you wish to sell your talents and wares.

I was once a Merchant in Ladies and Children's clothing. We called the high volume ladies buyers, CLOTHS HORSES. Some would wear it once, then off to the resale shoppe.

She was happy, My bank account was happy. Not too sure about their husbands.

I too sold "happiness."

Sad Panda · Nov 28, 2017

Owain@malonetuning said:
But can you put a price on happiness?

DSG tunes really liven these things up too, and have a proper launch control. Have had tunes for the ea288 golfs, through the diagnostic port, for over a year now, but unfortunately that is a different tool from what all our distributors have. Only have a couple of them circulating (mostly for R&D) so hopefully alientech steps up their game.

Do you happen to have one of these tools circulating in the Chicago-Rockford area? Would love to help with the R&D.

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