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VW MKVII-Mk7 Golf family including Golf Wagon (~ 2015 +) Discussions area for the Mk7 (2015+) Golf and Golf Wagon TDIs based on the MQB (Modularer Querbaukasten) platform.

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Old July 9th, 2018, 18:31   #1
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Default I want a mk7 alltrack with a diesel

What do you guys think would be the way to go?
Buy an all track and swap in a diesel?
or buy a 15 diesel and swap in the awd?
It needs to be a manual, so im thinking that id need to get the alltrack as the good car since it will have the awd transmisson, altough the gearing ratios will be incorrect for the tdi. I would then look for a wrecked tdi for the motor/wiring'cpu but the ratios would still be wrong.

I was also thinking that i might be able to get a euro mk7 manual 4motion tranny imported from korwerks or the like that would already be geared for a tdi. im going to look into that option as i think it would be the best.

Any thoughts? Does anyone foresee more complications that the ones i have addressed? Thanks in advance for your input.
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Old July 9th, 2018, 19:27   #2
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You'd have to delete this emissions stuff for sure.

But really, for the cost and hassle you're better off just tuning a regular Alltrack. It'll be quicker than a TDI and there's no way you'll make your money back on fuel savings.

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Old July 9th, 2018, 19:48   #3
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For less money and much less hassle you could buy a BMW 328d Wagon. Only thing you can't get is a manual transmission.
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Old July 10th, 2018, 02:12   #4
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Before they sold off the 15's sitting in dealerships I was contemplating swapping in a Euro 1.6L into a regular gas sportwagen. It's not an impossible task but also not easy or cheap. To ensure I had all the parts and wiring I was going in import a whole wrecked donor car from Europe but this has it's complications. You'd have to find someone to ship it over in pieces. Mk7's have a lot of control modules that are component protected. Unless you are really good with programming and wiring, you'll want the whole donor car to switch over the necessary electronics, immobilizer etc. I was looking at $8-10k for get the donor car. To help bring down the cost of the project I had planned on finding a reasonable wrecked US sportwagen to convert. Would be a cool project, just would require a lot of time and money!
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Old July 10th, 2018, 04:13   #5
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An Alltrack owner tried to transplant a GTI 2.0T into his Alltrack, he ran into major issues with the ECU reprogramming to accept the BCMs.

I'm not sure he was working with the best tuners/coders, but I believe each BCM is coded for the original 1.8T VIN and couldn't play nice with the 2.0T ECU, he had to use the 2.0T due to the VVT of the GTI.

My best guess is you would need to almost import a whole front clip from euro land including ECU 6MT and possibly the rear diff.

I've heard the independent rear subframe of the R (same as the Alltrack) can't be swapped into the NAR due to slight differences in the NAR TDI.

If I had more money than brains and a second car, I'd be willing to pay some shop to try it.

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Old July 10th, 2018, 05:36   #6
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For less money and much less hassle you could buy a BMW 328d Wagon. Only thing you can't get is a manual transmission.
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Old July 10th, 2018, 06:27   #7
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For less money and much less hassle you could buy a BMW 328d Wagon. Only thing you can't get is a manual transmission.
I can't even imagine the repair-cost nightmare that thing would be.
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Old July 10th, 2018, 08:53   #8
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Prob no worse than any TDI offered over the past 9 years. I know 335d had EGR clogging issues and similar HPFP issues, but its not like VW's are "cheap" to maintain to start from.
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Old July 10th, 2018, 09:03   #9
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I can't even imagine the repair-cost nightmare that thing would be.
You think repair costs on a frankencar that no one has ever seen before would be less expensive? I don't. It won't have any warranty. At least you can buy an extended service plan for the BMW.
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Old July 10th, 2018, 16:44   #10
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I want one too, but a settling for just a "prerunner" version or as they call it here in Mexico a "Crossgolf" . Lifted, but 2wd.
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Old July 10th, 2018, 18:40   #11
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You think repair costs on a frankencar that no one has ever seen before would be less expensive? I don't. It won't have any warranty. At least you can buy an extended service plan for the BMW.
335D for sure
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Old July 11th, 2018, 14:42   #12
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I saw the new Golf R in the show room. Loaded... $42,000. Its all a guy could want minus the diesel but as others have said itll be faster than the TDI anyway. Its got warranty and payment options. If i wasnt blowin truckers at the flyin J to make ends meet as it is Id love a Golf R.
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Old July 11th, 2018, 15:49   #13
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TMI, GreenLantern.
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Old July 11th, 2018, 19:18   #14
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Too much money and headaches, imo. It would be a hella cool swap though.
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Old July 12th, 2018, 04:28   #15
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I saw the new Golf R in the show room. Loaded... $42,000. Its all a guy could want minus the diesel but as others have said itll be faster than the TDI anyway. Its got warranty and payment options. If i wasnt blowin truckers at the flyin J to make ends meet as it is Id love a Golf R.

You can thank the fan boi racers for keeping the R still on the market, who knew dealers could move 40-43K Golfs, some of them even trying to charge 5-10K "market adjustments".

Now they just need to bring the R estate for those that actually want to use their car for useful things like going from 0-60 with 15 bags of mulch.
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