The only reason why they can sell a "partially fixed" car today is if they have a mechanism to assure the buyer will bring the car back for Phase 2 when the hardware becomes available.As expected, and thus the deal is dead. Why would VW make such a boneheaded move as to refuse the $5k incentive if I pay cash? Makes one wonder if they're trying to hold title on the vehicles so they can yank them back if we don't submit them for the final fix. But one could pay off the loan after 3 months and get title though, but maybe 1% of buyers will do that.
I did that, and I went to the dealer, and they gave me a copy of the warranty.Why don't you call your local dealer and ask??
They've probably figured out a way to cut their losses, get a tax break, etc. by this financing deal.Since you can pay off the lease or loan anytime (some are saying after a minimum of 3 months) then you could have the title before the fix is ready. My dealer says that VWoA agreed to give business to VW Credit, which is why they're requiring you finance the car. I don't see how they're making money on 0% financing, but I've been around financial markets long enough to recognize there's a lot I don't understand.
Cars that were not registered at some point between September 18, 2015, and June 28, 2016 are not eligible for any claim benefits.Will the owner collect the 1/2 of the "fix money" when they come in for Part II of the fix ?
^^^ That may be your opinion, but do you have anything to back that up?The only reason why they can sell a "partially fixed" car today is if they have a mechanism to assure the buyer will bring the car back for Phase 2 when the hardware becomes available.
Otherwise, they would not be able to offer any 2015 cars for sale until the entire fix were performed.
The new (unsold before 9/18/15) MY2015 cars aren't covered by the settlement, and therefore aren't protected by the settlement's requirement that states not refuse registration. Put differently, states can refuse to register cars that haven't had the fix done. Whether they will is another issue, but they can.That may be your opinion, but do you have anything to back that up?
What part of Magnuson-Moss allows a manufacturer to refuse warranty coverage if an owner hasn't had unrelated work done? Or are you suggesting that VW will again ignore the law?Try to get any warranty work done on a car that the owner refuses to complete the fix.
I have not seen a sales agreement for one of these cars, but it would not surprise me if the fine print requires the buyer to comply, on a timely basis, to return the car for completion of the "fix".What part of Magnuson-Moss allows a manufacturer to refuse warranty coverage if an owner hasn't had unrelated work done? Or are you suggesting that VW will again ignore the law?
The documents aren't very clear. It doesn't appear that VW has a plan for pulling cars back or for taking any action with owners who don't bring their cars back. It doesn't appear from my reading that they have the ability to levy any penalty on owners who don't bring cars back. I'm not even sure they can deny warranty coverage.I have not seen a sales agreement for one of these cars, but it would not surprise me if the fine print requires the buyer to comply, on a timely basis, to return the car for completion of the "fix".
Wow, that is some really crappy service! You are correct, phase 1 of the fix is just a software update, but also requires the dealer to document lots of stuff and put new stickers under the hood. They could not have done phase 2 yet because it doesn't exist. But, the dealers also had to perform a bunch of maintenance stuff to get the cars ready for sale. Oil change and oil filter change, fuel filter change, cabin filter change, flush brake fluid, test battery and replace if required, check tires and brakes and replace if required, check wipers and replace if required. I'm probably forgetting something. Anyway, my guess is they were waiting for some other parts to get the car ready, although they could just be full of crap. You should be able to request the service ticket to see what they actually did. And yeah, find a new dealership!I am in an odd spot. I will be hitting up another dealer soon to get a work history on the car as the dealer I bought it from is very shady. I bought the car new 2 weeks ago (2015 Jetta TDI S). The day bought the car, the dealer informed me that the service department had the keys and I could not take delivery of it that day. Sale guy said he was going to drop it off first thing Monday morning (I was at the dealer on a Sunday). Monday rolled around and the sales guy called and told me service had to finish up a couple things and it was going to be later that afternoon before he could drop it off. 2pm Monday the sale guy called and said that the service department had to order some parts and it was going to be 3 or 4 days until the parts arrived. I was not happy, but figured I could wait as I have another car. I did not hear anything from him at all and on Friday I left him a voice mail asking the status and did not get a call back or email. Saturday noon time I was starting to feel pretty pissed off. I called again and got his voice mail, called the main # and got his voice mail after being transferred. Called back and asked for a manager and got her voice mail. Left a info request on their site and got no call, email or anything. I checked my email later that afternoon and had an email that car was done and to let him know what I was available for delivery. I sent a rely at 3pm that any time was fine, give me a call. I did not get any call or reply to the email again. Sunday the sale guy was off, so had to wait until Monday. Monday afternoon after not seeing any emails or calls, I called the sale guys cell # and got his voice mail. At 4:30 on Monday I called the dealers main number and demanded to speak with the sale guy and he picked up the phone after about 3 mins. He asked again when I was available for delivery and I said "I am now" and he said he would leave shortly. at 7:30 the car was delivered. He was in a pretty big hurry to leave and pretty much gave me the keys and left. I jumped in the car and found the check engine light on. I hooked up my vag and it has an error about "intercooler coolant pump : open circuit" I did a little research and found the pump unplugged.. Plugged it back in and cleared the codes and the car is fine.
so my question now is, what did they do to the car. Sale guy said the emission stuff was not completed on Monday and that's why they needed parts. The paper work I found in the glove box said the Phase 2 stuff was going to need to be done After 2018 and Phase 1 was a software update that would take 1 hour. Unless they needed to order a new computer or something to do the software update, I don’t see why it took a week and parts were needed unless they did Phase 2 already?! I noticed the fuel filter was changed (maybe the housing) and for some reason some work was done under the car as the coolant pump was disconnected and noticed some oil on the belly cover. I did ask them on Monday about if the oil/filter and fuel filter should be changed as the cars been sitting for a long time.
On top of all the above, they didn't even really do anything before delivery. The car is dirty, can still see the spots were the shipping wrap was on the car. left all the window stickers on it and the glue/tape was a pain to get off as it looks like it had been baked onto the windows for over a year. Tires were all low on air. Diesel fuel all over the frame rail under the fuel filter area.
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