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TDI (Diesel) Emissions This is a discussion about emissions from TDI's. Pro's cons of Diesels (including biodiesel) effects on the environment and how they compare to Gasoline and other fuel sources for Internal combustion engines.

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Old April 19th, 2015, 11:16   #496
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arto_wa: nhdude's point is that your DPF didn't "fail" from its ash load, but probably from an internal failure/crack.

This is important to note, as the ash capacity (not exact!) of the DPF seems to be in the 200-250ml range before clogging requires a replacement. Your ash load, at 101k miles, was entirely normal.

You're correct, though, a failure is a failure. We just need to keep possible causes distinct.
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Old April 19th, 2015, 16:50   #497
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Member Name: Andy_2009_JSW
Model Year: 2009
Model: Jetta Sportwagen
Tranny: DSG
Miles: 136250
Oil Ash Volume:168 ml
Oil Type: Mobil-1 ESP 5w30
Avg MPG 35-ish
State: GA

Additional VCDS (version 14.10.2) data points:
8.7g Soot (calc)
0g Soot (meas)
2 Requested Regens
0 Successful Regens
8.4l Fuel consumption since last regen
120 km distance since last regen
144 time since last regen (minutes)

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My P0401 (EGR insufficient flow) codes/check-engine light occurrences have gotten/are getting worse. CEL was on for 2+ weeks recently, cleared by itself the other morning, and then returned after a day or so. Current P0401 fault frequency is 81. I've cleared the codes and will continue to track. I've had soot on/at my tailpipe for 10's of thousands of miles, so I suspect a cracked DPF, which would be consistent with and explain why soot is filling up the EGR.

The Delete trigger may get pulled at some point...
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Old April 19th, 2015, 17:02   #498
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Well well, above is my post regarding DPF ash loading as of March 10, 2015

Late last week I got CEL and fault code at about 103,500 miles:

1 Fault Found:
001025 - EGR System
P0401 - 000 - Insufficent Air Flow - Intermittent MIL ON

It turned out that the DPF filter had failed, causing EGR system to plug up with soot.
According to the dealer, the DPF had to be replaced, which was done yesterday!

As it looks now, measuring ash volume with VCDS was pretty meaningless at least in this case!

New DPF was about $1,600 less 10% discount + labor.


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Ah, the benefits of a 2010+ model -- $1600 vs $5000 for fixing this issue!
I'd still encourage you to check the ash load and report it in this thread -- just note the miles since the DPF was replaced, I suppose, perhaps in addition to the vehicle mileage.
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Old April 19th, 2015, 17:13   #499
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Model Year: 2011
Model: Jetta TDi
Tranny: DSG
Miles: 261,389
Oil Ash Volume: 120 mL
Oil Type: All Dealer Serviced Oil Changes @ Scheduled Intervals
Avg MPG: 42.3
Comments: Still on the original timing belt
Wow, serious outlier in the ash load data trends, but in a good way. In a way that it should have been for everyone...

Dealer serviced oil changes, yet the timing belt (and coolant pump, and pulley tensioners/etc.) has not been changed? This does not compute. And is just plain against all common sense.
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Old April 20th, 2015, 05:54   #500
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Ah, the benefits of a 2010+ model -- $1600 vs $5000 for fixing this issue!
I'd still encourage you to check the ash load and report it in this thread -- just note the miles since the DPF was replaced, I suppose, perhaps in addition to the vehicle mileage.


I see what you mean about the benefits, but it's still hard to celebrate cracked DPF, especially after the labor and tax were added...

I will check and report the ash load next week - by then it will have at least 3,000 more miles on it.

No chance to do it sooner.
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Old April 20th, 2015, 06:14   #501
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So it was just the DPF that cost $1600? What was the labor charge?
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Old April 20th, 2015, 06:30   #502
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Model Year: 2011
Model: Jetta TDi
Tranny: DSG
Miles: 261,389
Oil Ash Volume: 120 mL
Oil Type: All Dealer Serviced Oil Changes @ Scheduled Intervals
Avg MPG: 42.3
Comments: Still on the original timing belt
This post makes no sense. "Dealer serviced" vehicle, and they DIDN'T insist on changing the timing belt, TWICE?
This makes me want to completely dismiss the Oil Ash Volume number, as well. Based on the many posts in this thread, I can't believe the number.

I respectfully request the poster reconfirm the info he has posted, as this thread is about real numbers, not (possibly) fabricated ones, especially since the poster isn't the owner of this car. If the numbers aren't accurate, the post should be removed from the thread.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 10:49   #503
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Modal year 2011
Model Jetta tdi
Trans 6m
Miles 56127
Oil ash 39ml
Oil Castrol
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Old April 24th, 2015, 19:36   #504
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I see what you mean about the benefits, but it's still hard to celebrate cracked DPF, especially after the labor and tax were added...

I will check and report the ash load next week - by then it will have at least 3,000 more miles on it.

No chance to do it sooner.
Sweet, the more data the better. No rush, obviously -- heck, you could report late summer or fall and that would be cool.

And of course NO ONE ever celebrates a $1500+ dollar bill on a system part that WILL clog (or possibly break/crack before it has a chance to clog) again. I was just drawing the contrast to swallowing a large, bitter pill ($1600) and needing the Heimlich maneuver because you're choking on a grapefruit ($5000), so to speak.
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Old April 26th, 2015, 01:44   #505
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MemberName: Bluey
Model Year: 2012
Model: Skoda Yeti 2.0 TDI 138hp
Tranny: 6M
Miles: 24972
Oil Ash Volume: 20mL
Oil Type: Shell Helix Ultra Extra
Avrg. MPG: 32.1 (lifetime)
Comments: fuel additive Morey's Diesel Smoke Killer
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Old April 26th, 2015, 20:46   #506
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MemberName: lemminglife
Model Year: 2012
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Miles:37K
Oil Ash Volume: 30ml
Oil Type: Castrol LL03
Avrg. MPG: 40
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Old May 21st, 2015, 12:52   #507
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This is a very big concern IMO. I think it's safe to say that eventually, the DPF will become clogged and need to be replaced, whether that's at 100K or 250K. If they cannot be cleaned as I was hoping, VW better find a way to bring the price of replacing these down to a few hundred rather than thousands. Otherwise I see DPF deletes in many people's future or dumping their CR VW (which is a shame b/c this car is awesome) for possibly Mazda Sky-D.
DPF Regeneration.com in Stratford, Connecticut does have a process to clean them out, they offer a one year warranty on their cleaning process, cost is $400.00. They have been very successful in their processes. They have been cleaning all styles and sizes of filters, and catalysts, since 2008. website www.dpfregeneration.com
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Old May 21st, 2015, 13:24   #508
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DPF Regeneration.com in Stratford, Connecticut does have a process to clean them out, they offer a one year warranty on their cleaning process, cost is $400.00. They have been very successful in their processes. They have been cleaning all styles and sizes of filters, and catalysts, since 2008. website www.dpfregeneration.com
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Whats the turn around time and approximate cost for return shipping to NJ?

Thanks in advance.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 19:00   #509
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Update from the MKV discussion area.

report of DPF lamp lit, following successful regens with 279 ml ash (at just over 250k miles)

his mechanic says he has seen several have the DPF lamp lit and need replacement units at 240ml ash.

member plans to have his mechanic send to dpfregeneration in CT for cleaning.
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DPF Regeneration.com in Stratford, Connecticut does have a process to clean them out, they offer a one year warranty on their cleaning process, cost is $400.00. They have been very successful in their processes. They have been cleaning all styles and sizes of filters, and catalysts, since 2008. website www.dpfregeneration.com
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