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Fuels & Lubricants Discussion all about Fuels & Lubricants. synthetic oil, conventional oil, brands, change intervals, diesel grades, gelling and such debated items like that. Non TDI related postings will be moved or removed. This forum is NOT for the discussion of biodiesel and other alternative fuels.

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Old September 13th, 2017, 18:13   #9001
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why bother with a mechanic? it's got an electric lift pump, just jumper the relay with a paperclip and yank the line to the filter
extend the line down into the underground tank (whichever is the larger portion of what's in the tank, gas or diesel)
wait 15 minutes or so for it to drain
push it back over to the pump, fill with diesel and purge through the line a gallon or so to get the fuel line washed out if you're real paranoid, hook it all back up and drive away

station owner should be helpful during the process and buying the fuel and extra fuel line, as they don't want to pay a tow bill and idiot dealer techs to 'fix' your junk
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Old September 21st, 2017, 06:56   #9002
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0 - Don't let the jockey near your car and do it for them.
Not in mandatory-full-serve NJ. (Yes, I know it's arguable that the rule doesn't apply to diesel -- but unless you're a trucker, most stations won't let you touch the pump by yourself.)
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Old September 21st, 2017, 07:12   #9003
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Not in mandatory-full-serve NJ. (Yes, I know it's arguable that the rule doesn't apply to diesel -- but unless you're a trucker, most stations won't let you touch the pump by yourself.)

Then most stations won't get my business. I don't care if I have to go to a truck stop - the fuel is usually fresher anyway.

Even at a "car filling station" - I'm not opening the filler until I'm right there supervising the jockey to ensure he puts the correct nozzle in.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 09:57   #9004
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Question - does that attendent required apply to motorcycles as well ?


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Old September 21st, 2017, 11:01   #9005
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Question - does that attendent required apply to motorcycles as well ?


When I used to pull in with the Harley, the attendant would hand me the hose.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 15:09   #9006
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Not in mandatory-full-serve NJ. (Yes, I know it's arguable that the rule doesn't apply to diesel -- but unless you're a trucker, most stations won't let you touch the pump by yourself.)
There is no argument, the law does NOT apply to diesel. The problem is not all station owners and pump jockeys know that.

The no self-serve law specifically applies to flammable liquids as defined by their flash point temperature. Gasoline is flammable but diesel is not. Diesel is still combustible but not considered flammable according to its flash point temperature.

Best thing to do is get out of the car and watch the pump jockey like a hawk to make sure the correct fuel is used. Let them start the pump and then tell them you'll take over from there since the no self-serve law does not apply to diesel. They should be OK with that since it frees them up to go help waiting gasoline customers.

Fortunately NJ is a small enough state that I can fuel up outside of NJ and be well past NJ before I need to think about fueling up again.
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Why DIESEL is better:
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Old September 21st, 2017, 15:28   #9007
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I've occasionally gotten the "diesel?" from a clerk when I'm pre-paying for self-serve diesel but nobody has tried to stop me until recently. I just had one at Haffner's ("It Kicks!") in Hudson NH where I went inside to prepay for my fuel and said "$40 on 17" (pump #17 for diesel). Since I didn't say "diesel" the lady behind the counter looked around and saw my BMW 535d and said "I'm going to need you to pull ahead to the next pump." (A gas pump at the end of the island.) I said "NO! Pump 17, DIESEL!" "Oh you want diesel? OK! You're all set" she replied. At that point she knew that I was serious about using pump #17 for diesel and I knew exactly what I was doing. This station changed management recently and they have some new people behind the counter. The new lady behind the counter probably was unaware that I've been getting diesel there for the past 15 years and from the same pump.

A couple of the old timers are still there and they know I'm always there for diesel. I've been enough of a regular over the years that the old timers notice when I don't get fuel there for a few weeks at a time because I've been fueling up somewhere else.
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http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/emissions.html
http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/efficiency.html
http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/performance.html
http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/emissions2014.html
http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/emissions2016.html

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Old September 21st, 2017, 15:50   #9008
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My other favorite place to fuel up is at RMZ Truck Stop Inc. in Londonderry, NH. This station is a very busy truck stop at Exit 5 on I-93, serving the NH I-93 corridor. The truck stop has a Red Arrow Diner plus a NH Beer and Wine Outlet (aka NH State Liquor Store). This station gets a LOT of truck traffic due the location beside I-93.

The manager (owner?) at the station recently told me they get 12,000 gallons delivered there every day to keep up with diesel demand and to keep from running out. I like to fuel up here because it's the freshest fuel in the region so no worries about water contamination plus it's competitively priced and the lowest priced in the area. Cash sales normally are pay first but lately he has been letting me pump first then pay afterwards. The gassers fuel up in front of the station and the trucks fuel up in back. The diesel pumps are kept well away from the gassers. Even with the diesel pump truck islands behind the station, gasser customers shopping in the C-store who weren't there to get gasoline manage to block the auto diesel pump that I want to use. Never fails!

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Why DIESEL is better:
http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/emissions.html
http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/efficiency.html
http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/performance.html
http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/emissions2014.html
http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/emissions2016.html
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Old September 21st, 2017, 16:15   #9009
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They should be OK with that since it frees them up to go help waiting gasoline customers.
And light up another cigarette.
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