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Old August 16th, 2012, 08:25   #16
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I posted it because Technical Service Bulletins (TSB) are issued by the manufacturers covering corrective procedures to potential issues, and vehicle maintenance updates.
That particular one covers the specific oils that "meet VW 504/507 standards" called for in the owners manual for newer cars (or what ever you car has listed based on model year).
I believe the confusion is when one cannot find a oil container that says 5w40 504/507 written on it. All oils in that TSB meet the VAG requirement of "conforming to VW standards". That is different than an oil producer having an auto manufacturers permission to stamp their product with a claim of "approved by XYZ" on it.
That is VW position, not mine, based on emails that I have sent to them on this specific issue; I would imagine that it is feedback from consumers, and dealership service dept's that more than likely caused them to issue the TSB.
I know what a service bulletin is. However, you are arguing that there are 5w-40 oils that meet VW 507, when the papers you post prove otherwise.

Even according to your lists, there are no 5w-40s that meet VW 507. You reference page 7-8 to seem to prove otherwise, yet that is just a list of all the oils that meet either 502, 505 01, or 504/507. These oils don't meet all 3 of those specs. It is a generic list to show what is available across the board. The list above it clearly shows you that there are no 507 oils that are 5w-40.
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Old August 16th, 2012, 09:52   #17
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Here's what's bizarre.
2012 Audi A-3 Owner's Manual says, p. 198, right after saying that Diesels have to use VW 507.00 standard oils, says:

"You can use oil with a viscosity grade of SAE 5W-40 across all temperature ranges for normal driving conditions.
"However, if engine oil viscosity grade SAE 5W-40 is not available, you can also use viscosity grade SAE 5W-30 or SAE 0W-40 as long as it meets Audi oile quality standard VW 502.00 (vehicles with gasoline engines) or VW 507.00 (vehicles with diesel engines) specifications."

Now any ordinary human being (you can debate my "ordinariness" for other purposes if you want) reads that as saying 5W40 is preferred, but 5W-30 is OK.
But the only 507.00 oil actually available in 5W30. And it's what all the dealers use.

Is this really peculiar? Or is it just me?
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Old August 16th, 2012, 13:30   #18
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Here's what's bizarre.
2012 Audi A-3 Owner's Manual says, p. 198, right after saying that Diesels have to use VW 507.00 standard oils, says:

"You can use oil with a viscosity grade of SAE 5W-40 across all temperature ranges for normal driving conditions.
"However, if engine oil viscosity grade SAE 5W-40 is not available, you can also use viscosity grade SAE 5W-30 or SAE 0W-40 as long as it meets Audi oile quality standard VW 502.00 (vehicles with gasoline engines) or VW 507.00 (vehicles with diesel engines) specifications."

Now any ordinary human being (you can debate my "ordinariness" for other purposes if you want) reads that as saying 5W40 is preferred, but 5W-30 is OK.
But the only 507.00 oil actually available in 5W30. And it's what all the dealers use.

Is this really peculiar? Or is it just me?
You can be forgiven for coming to that conclusion
VAG has been pretty poor in their attention to detail to what is printed in their owner manuals over the years- especially in regards to diesels in N America.

Use a VW507 oil in a 5W30 with no worries
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Old August 17th, 2012, 07:58   #19
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You can be forgiven for coming to that conclusion
VAG has been pretty poor in their attention to detail to what is printed in their owner manuals over the years- especially in regards to diesels in N America.

Use a VW507 oil in a 5W30 with no worries
Thanks.
I will tell my technical editor friend that he could make a lot of money fixing bad owners' manuals--and I don't just mean VW/Audi.
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Old August 17th, 2012, 11:56   #20
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You reference page 7-8 to seem to prove otherwise, yet that is just a list of all the oils that meet either 502, 505 01, or 504/507. These oils don't meet all 3 of those specs. It is a generic list to show what is available across the board. The list above it clearly shows you that there are no 507 oils that are 5w-40.
I made an edit correction on the page reference for the 5w40 oils being on pg's 7, 8. Those pages show the 5w30 507 oils.

The 10 page attachment in the TSB has the list of 5w40 507 oils approved by VAG. Again, I am not arguing. VW is the one that made the TSB not me.

My reason for posting the TSB was to correct the statement that "there are no 5w40 507 approved oils" by showing that, according to VAG, that is wrong.
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Old August 17th, 2012, 12:12   #21
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And what I am saying is that, based on what you have posted, you have not posted anything showing there are any 5w-40 oils that are 507 approved. This seems to be where your reading comprehension fails. You apparently can not comprehend what everyone on this board knows or what those documents are saying.

I am assuming your "proof" is where they list all the oils in the bottom of document. Please look at the paragraph directly above that list and notice the word "or". This means it meets any of the specs. It doesn't list specifically which one. It can not meet all of them. That's not possible, and that is fact.

Here is a picture to try and help you understand since you can't grasp reading....

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Old August 17th, 2012, 12:17   #22
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I made an edit correction on the page reference for the 5w40 oils being on pg's 7, 8. Those pages show the 5w30 507 oils.

The 10 page attachment in the TSB has the list of 5w40 507 oils approved by VAG. Again, I am not arguing. VW is the one that made the TSB not me.

My reason for posting the TSB was to correct the statement that "there are no 5w40 507 approved oils" by showing that, according to VAG, that is wrong.
What you are overlooking is the 'or' in the statement printed on each page of the attachment:
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This attachment lists products which meet Audi Oil Quality Standard VW 502 00, VW
505 01, or VW 504 00/507 00 and are generally available worldwide at the time of
publication.
This is because not all the oils can meet both sets of specs.

The first part of the list (page 3 through the first half of pg 7) that showed the 502/505.01 oils being 0W30, 5W30 or 5W40, and the 504/507 oils all being 5W30 the second half of pg 7 and pg 8 are a clear indication that only 5W30 meet the 504/507 spec, but go ahead and look up any of the individual 5W40 oils listed in the attachment and let us know which ones claim that they meet 504/507.
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Old August 18th, 2012, 08:29   #23
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I agree, the main concern on the CR engines is that the oil is low sulfur/zinc because they can damage the DPF.


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My understanding is that VW 507.00 oils are all Xw30 regardless of what the owner's manual says.

The common-rail engines (yours) use roller cam followers, unlike the flat-tappet followers of the older engines. It's fine.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 07:50   #24
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What you are overlooking is the 'or' in the statement printed on each page of the attachment:
This is because not all the oils can meet both sets of specs.
The first part of the list (page 3 through the first half of pg 7) that showed the 502/505.01 oils being 0W30, 5W30 or 5W40, and the 504/507 oils all being 5W30 the second half of pg 7 and pg 8 are a clear indication that only 5W30 meet the 504/507 spec, but go ahead and look up any of the individual 5W40 oils listed in the attachment and let us know which ones claim that they meet 504/507.
I believe I know what it is you are confused about. The only thing I am responding to is your statements that there are no 5w 40 507 approved oils.
Your statements:
“However, there are no 5w40 oils that meet 507 approval....go figure.
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“I don't know what that post is for, but again, there are NO 5w-40 oils that are 507 approved.”
And some how you believe that I am saying that the oils that VW say are good to go for use in our TDi's (meet specs and will not void warranty) or otherwise known as "Approved for Use" have the individual oil companies claim they are 507 approved (?).
Anyway, I am not saying that; just posting info on 5w 40 507 oils approved by VAG.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 07:52   #25
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What you are overlooking is the 'or' in the statement printed on each page of the attachment:

This is because not all the oils can meet both sets of specs.

The first part of the list (page 3 through the first half of pg 7) that showed the 502/505.01 oils being 0W30, 5W30 or 5W40, and the 504/507 oils all being 5W30 the second half of pg 7 and pg 8 are a clear indication that only 5W30 meet the 504/507 spec, but go ahead and look up any of the individual 5W40 oils listed in the attachment and let us know which ones claim that they meet 504/507.
I believe I know what it is you are confused about. The only thing I am responding to is your statements that there are no 5w 40 507 approved oils.

Your statements:

“However, there are no 5w40 oils that meet 507 approval....go figure.

“I don't know what that post is for, but again, there are NO 5w-40 oils that are 507 approved.”

And some how you believe that I am saying that the oils that VW say are good to go for use in our TDi's (meet specs and will not void warranty) or otherwise known as "Approved for Use" have the individual oil companies claim they are 507 approved (?).

Anyway, I am not saying that; just posting info on 5w 40 507 oils approved by VAG.
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I don't believe you know exactly what you are trying to say. Not sure how we are supposed to know if you don't know.

Either way, for any newcomers seeing this thread....

There are no VW507 oils that are approved for use by VW that are 5w40. This is a FACT. It isn't debatable.
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unless you’ve deleted the DPF and EGR. hmmm...
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unless you’ve deleted the DPF and EGR. hmmm...
yes.
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