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Old February 8th, 2018, 14:40   #16
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Default Ford releases 1.5 Turbo diesel Transit Connect

For 2019, the Ford Transit Connect surfs two of the most unpopular waves on the market: small, car-based vans and diesel. Ford hopes the updates it made to the Euro-bred model will help lure minivan buyers into showrooms.Tough it's not an all-new vehicle, the Transit Connect adopts a front end that's sharper and more chiseled than before. It echoes the company's latest design language. The van remains available with a short or a long wheelbase.


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Old February 8th, 2018, 15:26   #17
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Dunno about "small, car-based vans" being "unpopular". The passenger versions (minivans) might be unpopular (I don't think I've seen one single passenger Transit Connect on the road), but compact commercial vans of all types are all over the place here, and I presume the diesel engine won't be limited to the passenger versions. Canada Post uses them. Bell Canada uses them. Friend of mine operates a one-man-show water softener company ... he has one. They are great for plumbers, electricians, local delivery of light products (flowers, food, mail, etc).
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Old February 8th, 2018, 15:44   #18
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Thanks for posting this bhtooefr! Somewhat surprised by this announcement. Should we thank CAFE requirements for this knowing that fuel prices are less likely to play a role?

Researching Fuelly a little bit points to two vehicles in the UK with an average MPG of around 37.5 which translates approximately to 31 MPG US. Not espectacular, but overall a better cargo/room package than the Toyota RAV4 hybrid which is averaging 32 MPG US.

I wonder how is the reliability of these Ford diesel engines (1.5) vs the GM 1.6 diesel in the Equinox.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 16:31   #19
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Very much a city type vehicle with the ability to work a day then return to home base to restock. They are becoming more common as passenger vehicles because of space and pricing.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 17:39   #20
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This is a new engine family that hasn't been around for very long, so...
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Old February 8th, 2018, 18:55   #21
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Default Damn near bought a Transit Connect...

Seriously looked at them a year ago after the VW dealer in Fort Myers trashed the rear suspension of my JSW and looked like I'd have to do the buyback early. Boxy in the back like a van should be, but FWD with a low center of gravity so it handles a lot like the Focus it's based on. Big enough to fit a motorcycle in back if it ain't too tall, or plenty of camping space. Factory tow package that even adjusts the stability control for trailering like the system VW has turned off on our north american TDI cars.

Local dealer had a cargo van for $21k before tax and license, I was waiting for price to drop to $20k and then I'd pounce. The EPA approved the fix for and I bought a new '15 Golf TDI... But I may go back to Ford if they follow through with this.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 23:14   #22
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That's the latest version of the Ford/PSA 1.6 lump, and might even be the "Ecoblue" variant by the time if gets over there.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 23:21   #23
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This is a new engine family that hasn't been around for very long, so...
Nope, the 1.5 is just the 1.6 that's been around for more than ten years taken down a bit.
And the Ecoblue bit is just Ford's implemetation of the same technologies that PSA have been using on the same engine for five years or so?

Better half's Citroen C4 sports Adblue etc and is a 2015 model; it's 100hp 1.6 is pretty darned impressive and the 1.5s just build on that.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 02:29   #24
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They're claiming that the EcoBlue engines are clean sheet, source on them being derivatives of the DLD/DV (for the 1.5) and ZSD (for the 2.0) families? (Note that the EcoBlue engines are offset crank, I didn't think any of the old families would've supported that?)

There is a 1.5 based on the DLD-416, but allegedly this isn't it, this is replacing it.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 09:40   #25
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Most people in the market for a van have a need to haul people and/or cargo. When these little Transit Connects first came out I checked them out. The E150 was a better deal since it could haul more both in cubic space and weight and price wasn't much different. Fuel economy on the Transit Connect wasn't much better than the E150 either. Now that the Transit Connect has this diesel option that may change things.

And yes, I know the E150 was replaced by the standard Transit van which is larger than the Transit Connect. Sort of comparing apples and oranges here between the three...

IMO the Transit Connect does not have the value the larger E150 or Transit provide. The Transit Connect only shines for inner city use where it's smaller size has an advantage.
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hmm, best wait and see then.
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Transit Connect diesel looks very interesting as a utilitarian, general purpose, around town passenger van.
This may well be on my short list when the Passat dies.
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Transit Connect diesel looks very interesting as a utilitarian, general purpose, around town passenger van.
This may well be on my short list when the Passat dies.
True, but probably not as 'road solid' like the Passat for long drives I would guess.

I guess we have to be thankful that, at least, there are a few more luxury vehicle offerings after the VW diesel scandal and with fuel prices fairly low.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 06:17   #29
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If anyone’s interested there’s a nice Youtube video out there on the ecoblue.


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Kind of like the Metris. MB hardly markets those at all, and I doubt many Americans even know they exist. They are sort of the only "mid sized" van available, in both cargo and passenger. RWD (with IRS!), too. They drive like a sports car, but sadly no diesel for us.
No gasser for us in those, and every plumber drives one. The cops too.
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I wonder why a 1.5L diesel instead of something a little bit bigger for a vehicle this size.
It's the top of the line engine in the European Transit Connect. The 8-speed auto/130hp version of the 1.5 diesel replaces the 6-speed dual clutch/120hp version in the pre-refresh. One of my coworkers drives a LWB passenger van version of the 120hp one and, while not a rocketship, it's perfectly adequate.
At my old job, we had a short wheelbase cargo van version with the old 1.6 diesel and a 6-speed manual. That was actually pretty peppy.

By the way, the new generation of the CitroŽn Berlingo just came out and will be available with the same 130hp 1.5/8-speed auto or 6-speed manual drivetrains.
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