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Old July 27th, 2020, 14:50   #6151
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The groundbreaking at Gigafactory Austin has begun! I think it will be the most amazing auto plant the world has seen. I'm tempted to buy some land in the area. One of my cousins lives right next to the airport- just a couple of minutes from the Tesla site. Very exciting!

https://youtu.be/hHpewRm-brE
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Old July 27th, 2020, 18:36   #6152
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What are your thoughts about Nissan Ariya?
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Old July 27th, 2020, 22:35   #6153
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Other than the unfortunate name, it looks like it might be decent. It'll have a tough time up against the Model Y for sure.

https://cleantechnica-com.cdn.amppro...1AQFKAGwASA%3D

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Old July 28th, 2020, 08:35   #6154
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The groundbreaking at Gigafactory Austin has begun! I think it will be the most amazing auto plant the world has seen. I'm tempted to buy some land in the area. One of my cousins lives right next to the airport- just a couple of minutes from the Tesla site. Very exciting!

https://youtu.be/hHpewRm-brE
While applauding highly subsidized EV production is somewhat problematic, its still something of an achievement and will potentially be bigger than the HD Ford truck plant in Louisville KY.


This is more interesting and gives Elon Musk/SpaceX more credit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP2l2oJUJY4
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Old July 28th, 2020, 10:28   #6155
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Yeah, that is more interesting. I'm 100% ok with the discussion drifting into space exploration at any time.

Doug and Bob are coming back quite soon. The mission won't really be a success until they are back on Earth. Wishing them well. It'll be quite a ride!
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Old July 31st, 2020, 12:44   #6156
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Uh, back to some previous topics: in a nutshell https://www.facebook.com/JohnStossel...2367732225333/
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Old August 2nd, 2020, 06:17   #6157
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Fully electric BEV's are dominating sales over PHEV's globally. This chart shows the top 20 EV sales figures for the first half of 2020: https://cleantechnica-com.cdn.amppro...1AQFKAGwASA%3D
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Old August 2nd, 2020, 07:18   #6158
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Interesting; thanks for posting. Two vehicles that could be on that list if the manufacturers made enough of them would be the Pacifica Hybrid (~7000 per year but supply-limited) and the i3 (39,500 in 2019 but practically no production in 2020). But their numbers wouldn't really disturb the dominance of BEVs.
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Old August 2nd, 2020, 10:07   #6159
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Still, world average and US average estimated at 2.1% of vehicle sales in 2020. Not exactly "dominance" is it.


https://www.iea.org/reports/electric-vehicles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electr...#cite_note-110
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Old August 2nd, 2020, 14:12   #6160
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It was 1% just a couple of years ago. At that rate of growth, 2/3 of new car sales could be EVs by 2030. That's probably why Tesla is now the world's most valuable automaker.
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Nah. Battery tech has likely already hit a wall, so we will get small improvements in tech and cost. The quality problems will be expensive to fix. Musk needs to have the capacity to produce volume. You will see how others' quality developed (aka Ford) with this approach, historically.


As far as Tesla stock, isn't Musk still on the hook for manipulating the market? Isn't Tesla still dependent on direct government aka state subsidies? Do you really believe there will be accelerating market share with the upcoming Covid super-recession?


Dunno. Wishing everyone on the Tesla train luck and good fortune. But not from a liberty point of view: https://spreadprivacy.com/duckduckgo-revenue-model/?s=1
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Old August 2nd, 2020, 20:27   #6162
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Nah. Battery tech has likely already hit a wall, so we will get small improvements in tech and cost.
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Tesla's 2170 Battery Cells To Receive 20% Energy Density Improvement: Report

If anything the rate of improvement is accelerating... and getting cheaper.

You're thinking of ICE tech. ICE tech hit a wall ~20 years ago... that's why VW had to lie... remember?

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Tesla's 2170 Battery Cells To Receive 20% Energy Density Improvement: Report

If anything the rate of improvement is accelerating... and getting cheaper.

You're thinking of ICE tech. ICE tech hit a wall ~20 years ago... that's why VW had to lie... remember?
Hope you are right. I'm not so sure.


Tech is tech. 20 years ago? Sure.
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... that's why VW had to lie... remember?

Both diesel and gasoline cars had the same standards for NOx, Hydrocarbon, CO, and now small particulate emissions. EPA/CARB/European Union rules were met easily by gasoline cars because they were designed with them in mind. Diesels were 10+ times better at Hydrocarbon and CO but worse for NOx. Never mind that diesels created less CO2 at the time. New diesel tech helped make new ones very clean. No data exists on how dirty “cheating” VW diesels actually are compared to anything.


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... in 5 years. That's 4% a year about, eh?


ICE development?: how about 800 HP from a Mustang?
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