Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

car was just running 2 days ago

dfhridenh said:

car was just running 2 days ago

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So?

One of the first things I was told about injectors when I emigrated to Cummins land was about pop testing them. No bloody way I'd take 'em apart and install new bits and not pop test 'em. No idea what the tolerance is, but P-Pump ones are higher than VE ones, and P-Pump pop settings will run with a VE driving them...
cheers,
Douglas

How MUCH fuel? A trickle won't get you there, you need firm squirts happening. Check that your fuel shutoff solenoid has power to it. Double-check the #3 injector wire is properly connected.

Lol I've been asking him those things since my first post.

oldpoopie said:

Lol I've been asking him those things since my first post.

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Maybe the third mention will do it? (it's proven that repeating something three times tends to sink in!)

and how many times am i going to repeat my self i have fuel to the injectors from time to time cylinder 1 gets good fuel u can see it wile sitting in the car spray out. then cylinder 2.3 u get fuel out of it but only every once and a wile will it spray out high clinder 4 gets fuel but its a trickle after cranking i get out close the nuts down but directly after cranking in the clear fuel line u get small bubbles then it be comes a large air bubble in that line i have bleed off the pump i have cleaned the fuel sender i have changed the fuel filter with the new o rings
let me be very clear i have worked on diesel tractors and equipment for over 10 years its not my first rodeo i have also gotten this car running after pulling the injectors out about 4 weeks ago and now the car will not start. i can feel and hear the injection pump click on and off if i have my wife get in the car to crank for me the car still will not start im about ready to send it off to a shop i dont have the money to do this but i cant seem to get it running. i love these tdi golfs but i have worked on so many of these vws i hate the damn things

Buy a set of these fuel line clamps
http://m.sears.com/otc-4506-2-pc-fu...gclid=CPmmlcfE1s0CFRVsfgodS84MvQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

Clamp off both the rubber feed and return lines that FEED the fuel filter from the tank.
Then apply vacuum to the small nipple on the pump. Use a mityvac and it should build the max vacuum that the mityvac can build. More importantly it should HOLD that vacuum pressure pretty much indefinitely. If it doesn't (and this is what I expect) you've got a leak allowing air in and preventing the pump to fully prime. Leak could be on the pump itself or even on one of the rubber fuel lines to and from the filter and or pump. I've seen pinholes cause big issues.

Have you tried giving it a whiff of ether? It's far from ideal and I usually wouldn't recommend it but it can help to get things going.

Do not do that

oldpoopie said:

Do not do that

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+1, i saw once flying cylinder head

about the probl, inside the nozzle there is "spire", in case when its stuck, the compression from the cylinder will go to pump

-D.

dfhridenh said:

and how many times am i going to repeat my self i have fuel to the injectors from time to time cylinder 1 gets good fuel u can see it wile sitting in the car spray out. then cylinder 2.3 u get fuel out of it but only every once and a wile will it spray out high clinder 4 gets fuel but its a trickle after cranking i get out close the nuts down but directly after cranking in the clear fuel line u get small bubbles then it be comes a large air bubble in that line i have bleed off the pump i have cleaned the fuel sender i have changed the fuel filter with the new o rings
let me be very clear i have worked on diesel tractors and equipment for over 10 years its not my first rodeo i have also gotten this car running after pulling the injectors out about 4 weeks ago and now the car will not start. i can feel and hear the injection pump click on and off if i have my wife get in the car to crank for me the car still will not start im about ready to send it off to a shop i dont have the money to do this but i cant seem to get it running. i love these tdi golfs but i have worked on so many of these vws i hate the damn things

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See my post. You`re beating a dead horse son!

turbovan+tdi said:

See my post. You`re beating a dead horse son!

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i will give that a try next man i must not have been paying any attention to what i was reading

well looks like a injection pump is needed anyone got a pump or know were to get rebuilt or anything im in NH

leaking some were in the pump do u all think i could just replace the gaskets on the top cover and the metering side

Could have just done a hot swap and been back on the road in 30 minutes... Full warranty to boot.

My concern is that you have a warped face, and the nozzles are cross leaking internally. Check the fuel returns on each injector, if fuel is coming out, you're done and you won't be able to make them run.

Follow these steps:

Step 1:
http://www.dbwllc.net/app/uploads/2014/09/DBW-Injector-Removal-Procedure.pdf

The problem with not overhauling is you introduce all sorts of leakage points due to body distortion. Also once the faces are disturbed (opened after being compressed for a period of time) they distort. Its akin to installing new rotors with used brake pads... Difference is you are dealing with pressure of upward to 19,000 psi in your engine.

When this occurs the fuel from the pump rather than going to the nozzle dumps into the body and out the returns. Max volume is around 5ml a minute, typically we get 0 leakage after completion.

Before overhaul:


After completion of Body Prep during overhaul:

i dont want to keep dumping money in to this car i had to do a trany in it due to a cv axle smacking the case and punching a hole in it yea that was not fun. then i have this
is there remand pumps out that that i can get or do i need a new one i just need to get this car on the road i drive 70 miles a day and in a 6.0 pickup its starting to hurt bad

dfhridenh said:

well looks like a injection pump is needed anyone got a pump or know were to get rebuilt or anything im in NH

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And how did we figure this out?

It went from running to a nozzle swap and not running. Sorry, but doubtful its the pump.

fixed i want to thank you guys for the help i am sorry if i became a ass been very stressful had a lot of things happen with this car in a short amount of time i had a cv axle let go and smash my tranny about a month after getting the car and my dog smashed the windshield with her head a day after i got the car prior to this soo that being said after a diesel shop told me that the pump was bad i ordered a pump seal kit. i never installed it before i did the pump i finally found a injection pump shop that actually tests injectors. he is about a hour and a half away from me. so i drove there with my injectors and talked with him he said he would test them for free and call me back. i got the call on monday saying i had 1 stuck injector and a injector that was 600 psi over its poptest so for 30 bucks he cleaned and fixed and shimmed all 4 injectors i go put them in friday and after a battery i cranked 3 times to bleed and boom life and now the damn this runs way better then it ever did. i do still have a early morning hard start it starts and surges but then idles down after about 2 min or so as if there is still air in the line but who cares its running and a lot more awake
thanks so much all
drew

Good news Drew.

Also, thanks to you for taking the time to post the resolution. Too many threads die without the answer ever being posted. You posting this will undoubtedly help someone else down the road.

i have noticed that in a lot of forums that people do not finish what they started and i want people to know what to look for and what i have learned and found btw i still have some air bubbles in my line but seems to be ok
thanks so much guys now time for a tune dont know what to look for but going to look none the less

dfhridenh said:

had 1 stuck injector and a injector that was 600 psi over its poptest so for 30 bucks he cleaned and fixed and shimmed all 4 injectors i go put them in friday and after a battery i cranked 3 times to bleed and boom life and now the damn this runs way better then it ever did.
drew

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Cough cough post 30.

Glad you got it fixed and didn't replace the pump that was perfectly fine.

Tuners: TDTuning, Kerma, Malone, and some I have chosen to forget...
There are options available, and I suggest you do not buy a tune based on price as others may have suggested.

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