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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old September 6th, 2004, 02:20   #1
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Hmmm...I was always told by my father and others that if you hit just the break pedal in a manual before hitting the clutch the car will stall. While driving tonight I accidentally hit the break pedal without applying my foot to the clutch and to my surprise the car did not stall. So now I'm rather curious to learn why it did not stall the engine. Any ideas why or is this just a unique feature with TDI's?
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Old September 6th, 2004, 05:44   #2
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You can leave the clutch alone and brake until the engine speed gets to idle (1,000 rpm) then push the clutch in. The engine will only stall if you keep braking and the engine goes below idle speed. That goes for all manual cars.
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Old September 6th, 2004, 05:54   #3
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vaxick, it's only going to stall at very low RPMs.
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Old September 6th, 2004, 07:29   #4
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Try it in 1st gear, and you will probably stall.
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Old September 6th, 2004, 07:41   #5
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Has nothing to do with which gear you are in it is the rpm.
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Old September 6th, 2004, 08:32   #6
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I hope you're not pushing in the clutch EVERY time you brake... man.. poor clutch..
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Old September 6th, 2004, 10:00   #7
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Poor clutch? More like poor brakes. Leaving the car in gear while slowing down/braking (engine compression braking) has got to take a heck of a load off of the brakes, but I understand your point too.

I'm in agreement with everyone else here, don't touch the clutch until your engine RPM is around 1000.
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Old September 6th, 2004, 11:21   #8
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Plus, when you engine break, you get better fule millage: the engine uses little or no fule when engine breaking, which is a lot less than at idle.

Like other's have said, keep it un gear until the RPMs drop to around 1000. Then take it into neutral.

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Old September 6th, 2004, 12:33   #9
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Wow, I guess I learned a good lesson last night then
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Old September 6th, 2004, 16:10   #10
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guys, it's brake, not break.

I've never really thought much about this topic but paid attention to my driving while I was on the road today. I suspect most of us brake much of the time with the car in gear as we slow down...it's completely normal. I only depress the clutch as I approach my stop.
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Old September 6th, 2004, 16:30   #11
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Plus, it also makes sense from a "wear and tear" perspective. It is cheaper and easier to replace brakes than clutches...
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Old September 6th, 2004, 16:33   #12
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guys, it's brake, not break.

I've never really thought much about this topic but paid attention to my driving while I was on the road today. I suspect most of us brake much of the time with the car in gear as we slow down...it's completely normal. I only depress the clutch as I approach my stop.
Haha sorry, it was like 4 am when I posted this Anyways, my dad always told me you need to hit the clutch before you press the brake, but I guess he was wrong. It's so nice to know this now though as I'm sure it's going to make driving a manual a little simpler.
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Old September 6th, 2004, 16:34   #13
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I've noticed if I need to slow down and think I'll have to downshift once I need to get going again, I'll apply the brakes and push the clutch in, in aticipation of having to shift. If I'm just slowing down for a bit, I'll just apply the brakes.
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Old September 6th, 2004, 17:17   #14
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Depends on the weather !!

If you're driving on icy, snow-covered roads, you could stall the engine if you brake while in gear... the driving wheels could lose contact with the surface, and the brakes will cause them to stop - you'll be sliding.... the engine will certainly stall!!

Just my 2 cents' worth...
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Old September 6th, 2004, 17:22   #15
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That's more of a sliding issue than a stalling issue. On slippery roads you want to disconnect the drivetrain from the wheels so that the brakes can do what they do best. That's a whole other can of worms though.
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