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Old January 7th, 2005, 10:05   #31
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he said that to his knowledge i am the only person in the US that has purchased Motul 506.01.





the ELF 0W-30 is here in NAmerica regardless of what Scott sez. One of the Canadian websites advertises is @ $12/L (American money). It can be had and it is on the ELF USA website.
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Old January 7th, 2005, 13:24   #32
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Elf Data Sheets:
Elf Evolution CRV 506.01
Elf Exellium DID 505.01

Update: Elf's 506.01 is on it's way to me for testing. However, there is none currently available in the US for purchase - only a small quantity was imported for Canadian distributers. However, it will definitely become available in both the US and Canada - eventually.

I spoke with Laurent Siret, Elf's Market Development Manager, and he said that they no longer offer 505.01 in Europe. It has been completely replaced by 506.01. 506.01 does include and exceed all 505.01 specifications.

I suspected as much when I was looking at the Castrol UK website and could not find any 505.01 oil. Our "new" hard to find 505.01 spec. is already outdated in the EU...

Elf had planned to discontinue it's 505.01, but has decided to continue production (for the time being) only for its NA market.

Like the Motul 506.01 , ELF's EVOLUTION CRV 0W30 (503.00 - 506.00 - 506.01) is 100% synthetic made from Polyalfaolefins (PAO's).

I guess the good news is that eventually, all NA PDs will be running on some very good oil. The downside is that it's not cheap - but I expect the prices will drop significantly once demand and sales increase.

I'll be sending both Elf oils off for VOAs within the next week. Stay tuned for more good data
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Old January 7th, 2005, 15:22   #33
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ELF was going to drop 505.01 entirely

It's interesting to note the 505.01 oil has a higher (12) TBN compared to the 506.01 (10.1)

Also, the 506.01 carries a ACEA B5 rating:

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A5/B5 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in high performance gasoline and car + light van diesel engines designed to be capable of using low-friction, low-viscosity oils with a High temperature/High shear (HT/HS) rate viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.



These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt.
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Old January 10th, 2005, 10:26   #34
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Regarding pricing for oil analysis from Oil Analyzers, Inc. (http://www.oaitesting.com), to get the preferred customer rate of $15.20 you have to purchase an Amsoil Preferred Customer Membership for $20. The non-member price for OA kit costs $20.20.

However, the TDIclub's own Andy Hecker will make OA kits available to any TDIclub member at (or very near) preferred pricing. Contact info:

Andrew Hecker
Independent AMSOIL Account Direct
9406 Vallecito Pass
San Antonio, TX 78250
www.zamslube.com
1-877-271-7646
210 392-3631
210 521-7635 fax
ahecker@zamslube.com

This is the most thorough analysis I'm aware of for this price.

Andy helped me get started with oil analysis, and I hope his offer helps others participate in this thread too.

Thanks Andy!
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Old January 12th, 2005, 12:48   #35
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these samples were sent off to the lab today...





Elf Evolution CRV 0w-30 506.01
Elf Excellium DID 5w-40 505.01

thanks to:

Scott Bever
Sabre-Chem, Inc.
[Elf Distributer / Retailer]
Tulsa, OK 74170
USA
(918) 587-1555
scott@sabrechem.com

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Laurent SIRET
Market Development Manager
Elf Moto Division
TOTAL LUBRICANTS USA
Phone: 908 374 5063
e.mail: laurent.siret@total-us.com
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Old January 12th, 2005, 15:35   #36
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English specs (same as above):
http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produ...ang_1/1111.pdf

French:
http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produ...ang_5/1111.pdf

Now this is where it gets weird:

Danish:
http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produ...ang_4/1111.pdf

Swedish:
http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produ...ng_14/1111.pdf

Norwegian:
http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produ...ng_13/1111.pdf

Same site, same oil, different specs. 9.6 TBN doesn't sound as good, and 11.9cSt @ 100C isn't even a 40weight oil. Hopefully the VOA will match the English specs...
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Old January 12th, 2005, 19:52   #37
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Wow Ferrari - that is an interesting discovery. I'd be pleasantly surprised with a 12 TBN, but as Adam Sandler would say, 9.6 is "not toow shabby"
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Old January 12th, 2005, 20:06   #38
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SUNRG, how did you get the 506.01 oil
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Old January 12th, 2005, 21:23   #39
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Essentially, I just got samples for testing, and Elf Evolution CRV 0w-30 506.01 is not currently available in the US - but expect it to be soon.

I have just enough for a VOA and one oil change so we'll get 5k and 10k UOAs too - thanks to Laurent Siret at the Elf Moto Division of Total Lubricants USA, Inc..

Laurent just happened to have a few litres in his office, so the Elf CRV 506.01 Laurent sent for inclusion in our PD Oil Analysis Thread is literally the entire current US supply.

My guess is that Scott at Sabre-Chem will probably be the first US Elf Retailer / Distributer to stock the Elf's 506.01. I'd stay in touch with him if anyone's interested in getting some (918) 587-1555 scott@sabrechem.com

I'm assuming you just meant the Elf 506.01. Motul's 506.01 is currently in stock in their CA warehouse and can be ordered by any Motul Retailer / Distributer.
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Old January 13th, 2005, 06:12   #40
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SUNRG, thanks. Also, have you been able to establish a business connection between the ELF and MOTUL US distributors? Are they the same people?
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Old January 13th, 2005, 06:53   #41
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If there is a connection between Elf and Motul it's above the levels of the people I've spoken with. The distributors I've spoken with are not the same people. They're competitors.

However, I know you'll recall that less than a year ago Herve Blanquart was the Automotive VP of Motul North America in Pomona, CA.

Now Herve is one of the top US Elf Distributers in La Canada, CA (a mere 32 miles from Pomona):

Logaris Distribution
La Canada, CA 91012
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(877) ELF.WEST
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If you call Herve I'm sure you'd get a much better, and possibly more interesting, answer to your question.
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Old January 13th, 2005, 07:36   #42
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Now Herve is one of the top US Elf Distributers in La Canada, CA (a mere 32 miles from Pomona):


Ohhh, that explains it. I have seen Herve's email address listed for both the Motul and ELF products and thought both were being offered by him.

thanks again.
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Old January 14th, 2005, 12:02   #43
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Here's my first Castrol 505.01 UOA. Incredibly, the TBN of this UOA is better than the VOA - same oil, same lab. A variable worth noting when comparing this to other UOAs is that my fuel was mostly ASTM B100 [53+ cetane - ULSD]. I don't know how much of a factor the fuel is but since the other results we have are from D2 users it's at least worth noting.

Overall, I think this is encouraging and indicates that probably this sample would have been fine for 10k, and maybe more.

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Old January 14th, 2005, 12:15   #44
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the numbers are very good for such a new car!
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Old January 15th, 2005, 08:24   #45
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http://sustainablepower.net/TDI/OA/P...preadsheet.mht

The above webpage is a spreadsheet with all the PD oil analysis results we have to date.
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