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Old October 20th, 2019, 21:34   #31
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I looked at the spec/property sheets of M1 ESPs and found an MB 229.51 and 229.31 that has roughly the same sulfur content as the VW 507, 0.6 and 0.8 respectively.
This page shows that this oil is not only approved for VW 507 but also for MB 229.51 and 229.31
https://www.mobil.com/English-GB/Pas...bil-1-ESP-5W30
Is ESP's property purely a matter of sulfur, ash and phosphorus content? If so, it seems that the 5W-40's ash (0.6) is lower than the 5W-30's ash (0.8). Does that translate to marginally longer DPF regeneration intervals? Does it also mean that MAYBE to 5W-40 can be used instead of the 5W-30 specially in older engines? Does 5W-40 offer better shear protection than 5W-30?
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Old October 21st, 2019, 04:24   #32
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Some people use 5w40 in cars requiring 507.00. A 507 oil won't have a 40 top number because the spec includes an FE standard that requires a 30 top number. But if you pick a 5w40 with the criteria you show the car should be fine. And it might offer better protection.

Miles are accumulating on the VW CR cars, however, and I've not heard of any oil related wear or failure issues. So it may not matter.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 06:18   #33
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The CR VAG TDIs do not have flat tappet cam followers, which is I think the big reason 40 oils are so important in VEs and especially PDs. The CRs have little roller rockers that ride on the individual cams, and the hydraulic lash is done vie a little plunger that acts on the pivot point of the rocker. Lots of other OHC engines use this design. So they will undoubtedly long term be more tolerant of a thinner 30 oil.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 23:25   #34
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The design that you just described is the same as the VM Motori CRD engine that is in the Jeep Liberty CRDs that I travel around the country to work on. Those are specc'd from the factory as a 0W-40 or 5W-40 diesel rated CH or higher fully synthetic.

My understanding is that the heavier oil provides better overall shear protection under the extreme conditions that a high compression engine creates, and better overall soot suspension than a lighter oil.

I will say that I have not seen any statistically valid change in fuel MPG going from the lighter oil to the heavier, but it is certainly easier to find a true diesel-rated oil in 5W-40. It also makes it easier to stock one grade of oil that is suitable for all my vehicles, and know that I have some available when I need it. The oil also remains the same color it came out of the jug for nearly half the 10k mile change interval, which is quite staggering to me. No matter how many times the Jeep may be changed, the oil is pitch black seconds after being poured in.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 23:48   #35
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I don't think Mobil still makes the 229.51 5w40 esp. They do make Delvac1 5w40, but I doubt it's 229.51 rated. The 507 spec oils are quite thick compared to most 30 weight oils.

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Old October 22nd, 2019, 10:25   #36
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I'm on my second EA288, first a Passat, now a Golf. 5W30 CK4 Signature Series Amsoil in both. No issues over many miles and it is delivered to my door. Hassle free.
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Old October 27th, 2019, 11:55   #37
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Thanks IBW.

I stand corrected, it's the TopTec 4200 Longlife III that I meant to say.

In stock at my local NAPA, along with other flavors that also meet my Bluetec's 229.51 or 229.52 spec.

Pricey though, which is why I prefer idparts

Edit: in looking at their options, I also found Valvoline SynPower MST 5w30 which meets the 229.51 spec for Bluetecs. It's $5.39/qt! Cheap oil changes galore.
Wally World has an MB229.52, Valvoline, also meets 505.01 for PD and AlH, 5w40, , They said (Valvoline) has a 5W30 that is 507.00, buy back to 5w 40, under $7qt, sometimes NAPA has for less than $6, i use in my Jeep CRD.
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Old October 27th, 2019, 12:00   #38
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I don't think Mobil still makes the 229.51 5w40 esp. They do make Delvac1 5w40, but I doubt it's 229.51 rated. The 507 spec oils are quite thick compared to most 30 weight oils.
M1 ESP FORMULA M 5w40 is long gone, at least 3 years now,, that's why I went to Valvoline. Pentosynth HP2 lists same specs
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Old October 27th, 2019, 21:00   #39
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Miles are accumulating on the VW CR cars, however, and I've not heard of any oil related wear or failure issues. So it may not matter.
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Old October 28th, 2019, 08:29   #40
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Wally World has an MB229.52, Valvoline, also meets 505.01 for PD and AlH, 5w40, , They said (Valvoline) has a 5W30 that is 507.00, buy back to 5w 40, under $7qt, sometimes NAPA has for less than $6, i use in my Jeep CRD.
According to this site all the Valvoline MB229.52 oils are 5W30:

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevol...229.52_en.html
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It's really not that confusing: Pick one of these: https://www.idparts.com/20l-tdi-oil-...ua-p-4752.html

You probably didn't see the 507.00 spec when you searched for Mobil 1 because Mobil calls a lot of their oils Mobil 1. The Mobil 1 ESP has the VW certification. I'm not aware of any other US-based refiner that has a 507.00 oil.

As far as I know major retailers (Walmart, Autozone, Advance, etc.) do not carry 507.00 oils. Of course you can get Castrol at the dealer, but pricing is hit or miss. Some dealer prices are great, others not so much.

Thanks for your link, bought an oil change kit, and some springs from your cool site. I need to keep off it, this is an economy travel work truck for me, don't need to mod it up, only to haul tools, lots of tools.
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Welcome and thanks for the order! I know what you mean: it's easy to keep "improving" our TDIs.
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Welcome and thanks for the order! I know what you mean: it's easy to keep "improving" our TDIs.

Orders have arrived, well packed, perfect shipping. Thank you.
Are these taller springs rated to carry any more weight, or are they just taller? I'm hoping the roughly 900 lbs of tools I'm going to load up will squish them down to about stock height. Thanks for any information you can give me.
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Well, 900 lbs. is, I think, well over the total load capacity of your car. I think it's about half that. They will carry more weight, but they have limits.
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I thought I read, wrong apparently, that it could hold 1,200 pounds above curb weight in the manual.
Time to slim down the tools.
Thanks for the info, and the parts.
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