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Old Yesterday, 13:32   #1
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My newspaper says that because of 2020 lower emissions requirments [less sulfur] that prices will go up 20 to 30% and there maybe a scarcity of diesel fuel. Most affected will be ocean ships which use bunker fuel [one step above crude]. I've heard it said that 50 of these container ships put out more pollution than all the worlds cars combined. Ships could be required to clean up their stack emissions or use a lower sulfur fuel.
Anyway truckers and us will pay much more per gallon.
Anyone else have something else to add to this?
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Interesting article addressing cargo ship emissions:

So yes, the 15 biggest ships produce more sulfur oxide pollutants than all the cars in the world, because they run on completely different fuels. A ship produces more carbon dioxide emission per mile and per gallon of fuel than a car. Ships in general, however, have the lowest emission levels of any other method of cargo transport , producing fewer emissions per ton of freight per mile than barges, trains or trucks."

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Interesting article addressing cargo ship emissions:
So yes, the 15 biggest ships produce more sulfur oxide pollutants than all the cars in the world, because they run on completely different fuels. A ship produces more carbon dioxide emission per mile and per gallon of fuel than a car.
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Anecdotally, the Sevmorput emits practically zero carbon(nuclear). The Russian nuclear ice breakers as well. While bunker fuel has more carbon per gallon than gasoline or diesel, it contains less per ton.
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I don't really see how this is connected to our cars that already use low sulphur fuel. Ships have 0 in common with our cars. As long as over the road trucks and other work trucks using diesel fuel are around we should have little to worry about IMO.
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I think the price hike will be due to increased demand for cleaner fuel. This could justify a price increase [supply vs demand] - you know. Will this effect the value or demand for our cars?
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Since diesel fuel is already hydrotreated to reduce the sulfur, requiring reduced sulfur gasoline should have no effect on the supply/demand curve of low sulfur diesel fuel. The sulfur reduction step is taken on the refined fuel, not the crude oil itself.
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Diesel fuel has already had this "cleanup" done around 2007. Gasoline is next in line with better more costly emissions equipment similar to current diesel technology to some extent. Diesel emissions are already ahead of gasoline in this regard.
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