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Old March 21st, 2020, 08:41   #1
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Default How well do VW's hold up on the Autobhan?

Here's a Question for all German guys, How well do VW's (gas or TDI's) hold up long term from driving high speeds on the Autobhan over the life of the vehicle. do they hold up reliably over time with out breaking.? I'm Just curious?
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Old March 21st, 2020, 09:56   #2
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When we took a trip out to Europe about 10 years ago, we rented a Citroen 7 seaters mini van with a 2.0 diesel engine in Paris and drove it through 6 countries. We were visiting relatives in Holland and used the Autobahn to get from the north of Holland to the south. We ran this car at a mere 180 kph for the entire trip back and forth (it had no trouble running at that speed). It was very strange to be driving that fast. Occasionally a big BMW would pass us like we were standing still.

I think our cars would be fine out there but I would look at adding a much taller 5th or 6th gear to reach those speeds without revving at 5,000 rpm.

I am basing this on my very limited experience in Germany. Our cars are tough and I suspect greatly detuned to suit the requirements in North America.
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........IIRC 180 kpm is slightly over 110 MPH............

I had no idea German highways permitted such high speeds..............

I was stationed in rural Germany during the cold war (I reckon driving in the hinterlands biased my 'take' on traffic flow velocities of the period).

I am still impressed! I had my Corvette up to 137 indicated ONCE in a really deserted Death Valley. Scared the devil out of me. Never again.

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Old March 21st, 2020, 12:21   #4
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Here's a Question for all German guys, How well do VW's (gas or TDI's) hold up long term from driving high speeds on the Autobhan over the life of the vehicle. do they hold up reliably over time with out breaking.? I'm Just curious?
They're designed for it. They're built there, they have to provide warranty coverage there. It's why the brakes are generally up to the task, too. Every German car has to withstand top speed, pedal to the metal, on the autobahn, because it's going to happen. For that matter, same goes for other european cars, because they're going to be sold in Germany with warranty coverage, too.
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........IIRC 180 kpm is slightly over 110 MPH............
I had no idea German highways permitted such high speeds..............
I was stationed in rural Germany during the cold war (I reckon driving in the hinterlands biased my 'take' on traffic flow velocities of the period).
I am still impressed! I had my Corvette up to 137 indicated ONCE in a really deserted Death Valley. Scared the devil out of me. Never again.
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You were in Germany and weren't aware that large sections of the autobahn have no speed limit??
Best sign to see: Cancellation of all restrictions!
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Old March 22nd, 2020, 05:06   #5
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Cooll...Pic I got a laugh out of watching Tom Hanks experience on Dave Letterman show. in a VW in Germany Autobhan lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3h2Rw1mHew&t=458s
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GoFaster thanks for Your Post i understand European German vehicles are built for speed with the Atobahn in mind but my only real fear of owning my own 2012 TDI highliner are replacement costs if any expensive component fails for example.Turbo component.! , or the Diesel Fuel Pump? Wich is a big one.! or "DPF emmision filter" DPF Filter not terribly bad for replacement my mechanic can retro fit a delete kit & software update for a

couple hundred bucks. Don't get me wrong I love my TDI especially the fuel economy and comfortable leather seating it returns back to me. Wich is Why I totally respect using the proper spec oil, & filters and use a Quality fuel like shells V-Power when cost is affective being right now. lol any other time when price is too high I just use regular shell Diesel with the occasional cleaning additive with the specified lubricant for Diesel fuel pumps in mind made for diesels.
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Old March 22nd, 2020, 12:40   #7
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Friend of mine who was stationed (military) over in Germany for a few years told me when I was talking about my VWs, that it was pretty wild over there how it was commonplace to drive your Mk3 VW Golf at 180km/h for hours out on the Autobahn.

And then, yeah, having a 7-series fly past you on the left like you were standing still. And heaven forbid if you lingered in that left lane at your paltry 180km/h....I think that might be a felony over there.
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Can't find the thread now, but there's a member here who brought is modified US market MKIV ALH Jetta Wagon to Germany with him when he moved there. He'd done a six-speed upgrade plus a number of power improvments and ran a video of the car getting up to 150 MPH on the Autobahn. Not too shabby for what started out as a 90 HP TDI.

I think this is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSMxEQ6ZdjY

Not Autobahn use, but I've run my TDIs on race tracks many times. Often I would be out there for an hour, running to redline in every gear and getting up to 110-115 MPH on straights, and in 4th gear. I've done that with three different TDIs and they never missed a beat. Ran great after a good thrashing, too.
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Flat-out (or nearly so) is the best operating condition for your DPF. No active regen required. It will stay up to operating temperature without the engine's controls having to do screwy stuff with the injection timing.
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Old March 28th, 2020, 06:19   #10
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What's also interesting about German built vehicles? from what I have gathered is the fact that. not only are they solid structural tanks body wise & built with the Autobhan in mind as far as Speed is concerned. but also that there well engineerd & built well enough to run for hours at a time at high speed on the Germany's Autobhan with out breaking anything." try doing that with a Japanese or North American vehicle. lol
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Any new car or well maintained car should be able to do this with no issues. What is interesting is that German law/regulations require the vehicles to be maintained properly. In the US some aren't even required to be safety inspected.
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Lightflyer uhmm I would say on some vehicles may be possible but. on many others the internal engine temperature will rise from prolonged high rev's & hours of driving simply not designed for prolonged high speed driving. remember the VW phaeton that engine was designed to run at 186 MPH all day with the outside temp being at 122F on a hot Summers day, to where the internal engine would maintaine itself at 71F now that's impressive engineering.!
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There are a fair number of high performance cars that don't do well on race tracks: ECUs dial back performance because of engine oil temps, intake temps, or transmission temps getting too high. Current Shelby Mustangs, most Corvettes other than the Z06, and Nissan 370Z come to mind. You're less likely to have that problem in an M3 or M5, or any AMG.
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Lightflyer uhmm I would say on some vehicles may be possible but. on many others the internal engine temperature will rise from prolonged high rev's & hours of driving simply not designed for prolonged high speed driving. remember the VW phaeton that engine was designed to run at 186 MPH all day with the outside temp being at 122F on a hot Summers day, to where the internal engine would maintaine itself at 71F now that's impressive engineering.!
Well I just don't agree with your assessment. Most US sold cars will barely get over 100 mph anyway. Name me a few of the ones you know of that were new or very well maintained as required and overheat when driven as you describe. I had a Toyota pickup when I was stationed over there and it drove at sustained high speeds (for it anyway) for hours without a hiccup. I knew of others that were stationed with me with US cars that never had an issue driving on the Autobahn.
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There aren't really any US sold cars left. Mustang, Mailbu, Sonic, Charger, Pacifica, Challenger, Camaro and Corvette. Maybe a couple others, but mostly SUVs, CUVs, and trucks. Europeans buy CUVs, but not many SUVs or trucks.
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