Mazda SkyActiv Diesel Engine

2.2TDI said:

10? You're being generous... Give it 5

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Lol. You took the words out of my mouth.

annnnyways

id like to take a mazda6 diesel for a rip.

i know most of you guys love the D

BuzzKen said:

Lol. You took the words out of my mouth.

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What my protege5 looked like on the drivers rear quarter panel... this wasn't even that bad... probably 2 years I re did the rust, 1 year later that's what it looked like again, and the passenger side was 10x worse, the bumper had already fallen off the panel because of rust, had to bondo it to the panel so it would stay together...

Most rusted car was my Mk3 98 Golf.

A pillar rusted through / floors gone / no metal around gas filler and behind. You could stick your hand through rear wheel well and it came out through the gas door.

Hatch gone - only thing that were not rusty were shock towers lol..

Too bad because the car was very reliable.

BuzzKen said:

No Bill, you're completely misunderstanding. You are then supposed to take the diesel/oil mixture and pour it all over the car to keep it from prematurely rusting out. Nothing like a 4 year old Mazda3 that looks like it's been through some kind of brutal salt test.

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Ohhhhhhhh silly me, lol!

BuzzKen said:

I just did. And MK5's have way worse rust problems than MK4's. Show me how many '00 mazda3's there are around with a solid floor........one hand should be enough to count with. Have yet to see a mk4 with a rotten floor. Mk3's..... well, let's not discuss that.

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I sure did and so did Aaron. Ask him about his MKIV and the rear floor.....and this was 2 years ago. They rust but not as bad as the Mazdas. Mazdas are biodegradable.

I wouldn't mind "test driving one" not buying one. I might go the Toyota route in the near future. My mk3 has no rust except underneath is a little rough. I have did rust heckles and had some work done to fix up some bad spots. Good for a few years minimum. Mk3 do rust pretty easily. A rusty check here and there is nice. I am not doing any rust check, I fixed it up last year and now I will wait until there are holes in the panels

2.2TDI said:

My mk4 has barely any rust... My old protege5, oh dear God....

And look at what? The Mazda 3 is brand new, I hope there's no rust

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what I meant is look at the improvements on the new 3. inner rear liner that looks effective on rear quarters. Paint looks extremely high quality. whole bottom is covered for chipping. vented quarter panel covers to allow humidity out...painted sealed finish on rear quarter lip...improved drainage on hatch...Listen they were garbage...we all know that but according to new warranty 8 vs 5 for other japs although not as good as 12 for vw and some of the obvious stuff that I can see and that I have heard from a member of Canadian dealer council when they went to Hiroshima to see the new cars (apparently they had a one hour full on discussion with the body engineers right in the plant 3 years ago and again voiced dissatisfaction on the rust issue for some model years) then I think the situation for future buyers will be improved. All the manufacturers get better every year on this score in general. I think a 10 year life seems reasonable for most of the jap/Korean stuff now. Some VWs will ast longer. VW does a better job. No doubt. Hopefully that will translate into more rugged mechanicals for Dubs too with less fragile components. Yes...Time will tell on THAT score as well..Gonna watch for a year at least and see what the new TDI brings in terms of issues or hopefully lack of them. Competition is good no? keeps all of the players building better stuff. Consumers get a better built car hopefully.

It's pretty obvious that Mazda is having issues trying to make this model a "clean" diesel by meeting the North American requirements.

mazda 2.2l twin turbo diesel coming to canada

More vapor ware! They aren't going to be able to do it without SCR and they seem very resistant to going down that road for whatever reason. A good portion of their auto show marketing (in Detroit) was based on how it "wouldn't use urethra." Yes, the idiot said that... Several times.

Yea, since its been delayed quite a bit they are probably having issues like you say. Even if it did come to Canada, id would take a solid 5-10 years before I would say there "new" diesel engine will be proven. As it stands, the TDI is one of the best engines in the world.

I'm waiting for Honda to bring over their 2.2 i-CTDi.

I wouldn't want to use urethra either.

BuzzKen said:

I just did. And MK5's have way worse rust problems than MK4's. Show me how many '00 mazda3's there are around with a solid floor........one hand should be enough to count with. Have yet to see a mk4 with a rotten floor. Mk3's..... well, let's not discuss that.

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West of the Rockies? All of them have solid floors. Cars eaten by rust is an East coast thing.

Sorry, it's just better out here.

Wasn't their big claim that they could meet emissions by lower the compression ratio to a point that the fuel burned cleaner and therefore the car engine would require neither urea or def? Of course that route also couldn't meet the EPA requirements. Not sure if they ever got the oil dilution issues fixed in Australia.

There is probably not enough of a market in North America for them to make the required changes needed to meet any of these standards.

Mazda Diesel?

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/vid...aylistId=485DC4B7EAB238F2&videoId=cK5SQkEUBdo

Any word on this vaporware? They sure made some yarn.

imo000 said:

I sure did and so did Aaron. Ask him about his MKIV and the rear floor.....and this was 2 years ago. They rust but not as bad as the Mazdas. Mazdas are biodegradable.

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Am starting to notice more and more mkiv's i work on with almost unrepairable rust problems. Strange how the odd one you see is completely rust free and the next 5 are completely cancer ridden. Wish I knew how to spot one on the dealers floor, though I will probably never buy new.
Am going to drive mine till the plate sticker runs out next sept and look for something newer to figure out problems on.

I haven't heard anything from Mazda since the last time they announced another delay in the introduction of the diesel, and that was early this year, if I'm not mistaken. Mazda has defaulted on their promised intro date so many times that anything they say now will automatically be dismissed by the public as lies. Mazda is keenly aware of this situation, and I think that was the reason why they never came up with a revised intro date after the last delay announcement. This can only mean two things - either they completely terminated the project and didn't bother to announce this publicly, or they are now so cautious about what they say that we won't see the announcement until the day the diesels show up in showrooms. Personally, I'm inclined to believe the first alternative.

It's a Unicorn.

Mazda has never built a body that lasts more than 5 years. Not on any model, ever. I doubt they will start now. Mazda's are for new car buyers only, those that trade every 2 years. They get good reviews, thrill the motoring press and win with new car buyers. They do not do durability.[/QUOTE]

That's using a pretty wide brush stroke.........I have a 94 M edition in the garage with 200,000 km on it and it is as clean outside and underneath as any 6month old car........Course it's never seen salt and very little rain.

I was holding out hope for quite some time, gave up... Although, they have been racing them in North America with a good deal of success. Us on the other hand will never see one...

Never? that's a long time. Mazda is a tiny company. They cant roll out stuff as fast as VW. Maybe they will deliver yet...They made the classic mistake of overpromising and under delivering.

When I last talked to a product specialist at a car show, they said it had to be "redone", and release was indeterminate. That is not a hopeful sign...

2016 my

2016 model year. Will have an after treatment emissions system.
Over 100,000 Skyactiv-D engines have been manufactured and still no diesel in North America from Mazda.
Mazda6 is also expected to have mid-cycle changes to interior and exterior in 2016 model year.

I'll keep dreaming of a Mazdarati Diesel.

They Gave Up

They gave up trying to meet emissions with just tuning and are going with an ADBLUE system.

I was under the impression that emissions wasn't the primary reason for all the delays. Rather, it was the dilution of engine oil with unburned fuel that put an end to Mazda's diesel ambitions in the U.S.

The dilution of the oil happens as a result of DPF regens.

Emissions & Capacity

soot1 said:

I was under the impression that emissions wasn't the primary reason for all the delays. Rather, it was the dilution of engine oil with unburned fuel that put an end to Mazda's diesel ambitions in the U.S.

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Emissions are the primary reason diesel is no show in North America. Secondary is very strong demand for diesel engines in Mazda vehicles worldwide coupled with capacity constraints for engines and vehicles. Note Mazda lost significant capacity when production of the 6 ended in 2012 at Auto Alliance International in Michigan. Ford purchased Mazda's interest in this plant and renamed it Flat Rock Assembly. All 6 production is now Japan based. Mazda is opening a new plant in Mexico, though it will not build 6.