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Old July 29th, 2019, 15:19   #46
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You know, I get really sick of people tossing around statements like the one above - not everyone with a vehicle that gets that sort of MPG is driving it all the time. We're already paying more fuel taxes on them because we're buying more fuel to feed them, since the road taxes are assessed per gallon of fuel.
You planning on taxing the bejeezus out of that guy with the ultra-rare 69 Road Runner or the 57 Chevy, just because it doesn't meet 2019 MPG standards (or your arbitrary "30mpg" threshold above)?
Or how about my 1992 Jeep that only gets about 15-17 mpg? I drive it less than 1000 miles in a typical year, why are you hating on me for that?
And then there's the folks with the all-electric cars, who are aren't even paying road taxes because they don't buy gasoline/diesel for them - why are they getting to use the roads "for free"?
Don't be so asinine. You obviously don't understand that fuel guzzler taxes are only charged at the time of purchase of NEW vehicles. The current rate is a flat $7700.00 on vehicles that only get 12.5 mpg
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Old July 29th, 2019, 20:19   #47
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I'm thinking about grabbing one of those 1.4 wagons.
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Old July 29th, 2019, 21:14   #48
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I'm thinking about grabbing one of those 1.4 wagons.

If you are seriously considering a new VW, you should buy a 2019 and not wait for 2020 models. There might be some 2020 sportwagens since the article says production will end in December 2019. VW has announced that the 2019 model year will be the last year for the 6 year 72,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/07/29/...verage-period/


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Old July 30th, 2019, 02:27   #49
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I'm thinking about grabbing one of those 1.4 wagons.
I don't think the Wagon had a 1.4. Just the Golf and base Jetta.
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Old July 30th, 2019, 05:22   #50
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It does, but no 4mo

https://www.vw.com/builder/tab/trim/...lf-sportwagen/
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Old July 30th, 2019, 05:29   #51
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Didn't know that. Nice drivetrain. However, I already have a '15 GSW TDI that I don't drive. :-)
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Old July 30th, 2019, 19:46   #52
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I saw a Green Falls Green Alltrack at a local dealer, it was a 6spd, 1.8... had the pano roof and black leatherette, but was $32k... that is a real nice color, they had a leftover GTI that color back in late spring, it was tempting, but didn't want to restart paying for a car.
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Old July 31st, 2019, 07:03   #53
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Don't be so asinine. You obviously don't understand that fuel guzzler taxes are only charged at the time of purchase of NEW vehicles. The current rate is a flat $7700.00 on vehicles that only get 12.5 mpg
Are you always such a jerk when you don't have your morning coffee?

I understand that just fine, but there's plenty of folks who'd just as happily go after older vehicles too (ref: 'scrappage' laws in places like Japan).

You honestly think that with some of the enviro-loonies out there ("Green New Deal", anyone?) they'd be satisfied with just banging on new vehicles? They get that, it'll be "pre-owned" cars next, and then eventually everything.

All that aside, "100%" taxes are idiotic. Great way to financially wreck the guy with 4 kids who needs a larger vehicle to get them all to school.
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Two words: Carbon tax.

And the gov't could provide deductions/exemptions for low income folks.
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Just look at BMW, it used be just the X3 and X5, now there's the X1 all the way through to the X7... blows my mind
And if you parked the original X5 between all those, you would find it closer in size to the current X1 than the X3...
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Two words: Carbon tax.

And the gov't could provide deductions/exemptions for low income folks.
But would that be a one-time tax on NEW vehicles all the fuel guzzler tax? The FG tax is to increase fuel economy, and diesel is the most economical. I see the carbon tax as a plan to force EVs on everyone; perhaps the solution is hybrids: EV propulsion short range (say less than 40 miles with a 50mph/80kph max speed) and diesel for longer trips and at speeds above the 50/80 EV max.
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Carbon tax on energy consumed. EVs would pay it, too, although it obviously would be less than ICEs. Maybe EVs would pay a higher rate to support building out the charging infrastructure.
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You know, I get really sick of people tossing around statements like the one above - not everyone with a vehicle that gets that sort of MPG is driving it all the time. We're already paying more fuel taxes on them because we're buying more fuel to feed them, since the road taxes are assessed per gallon of fuel.
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Or how about my 1992 Jeep that only gets about 15-17 mpg? I drive it less than 1000 miles in a typical year, why are you hating on me for that?
And then there's the folks with the all-electric cars, who are aren't even paying road taxes because they don't buy gasoline/diesel for them - why are they getting to use the roads "for free"?
My 04 Grand Cherokee with the 4.0 Straight gets 10 MPG.....
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My 04 Grand Cherokee with the 4.0 Straight gets 10 MPG.....
And you DONíT pay a fuel guzzler tax every year correct? Maybe you can explain to him why the tax doesnít apply to your Grand Cherokee.
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I see the carbon tax as a plan to force EVs on everyone.
Not sure it would work out that way. If EVs paid their share of carbon tax, even on 125 MPGe or whatever, but didn't get state rebates or federal tax credits, I think the playing field would be pretty level. If consumers had to pay full price for EVs without government subsidies, I think people would give ICEs a fair shake.
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