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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old April 14th, 2019, 18:38   #3391
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Since I donít have any on now, could that be that I continue to have vibration on the wheel even after alignment and balancing!?!?
I don't know what wheels are on your car right now, so I'm not sure. The stock VW wheels are hub centric (i.e. the hole in the wheel fits snugly over the hub). But a lot of aftermarket wheels are not. That's where the hub centric rings come in. Because if there's a gap between the hub and the wheel, it's almost guaranteed the wheel will be off-center. You can't count on the wheel bolts to accurately center the wheel.
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Old April 15th, 2019, 07:19   #3392
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Old April 15th, 2019, 07:33   #3393
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You can't count on the wheel bolts to accurately center the wheel.
so yesterday, while watching Tiger make a historic comeback, I just had to go into the garage and take off a wheel to check if all this time (practically since 2005ish) I had been driving my aftermarket wheels without hub centric rings, and YES, I have been. Did some research and took quick measurements and it seems like I'm in need of some. I measured 2 1/4inches of OD on the hub, which translates to roughly 57.1mm and the wheels' bore diameter is 2 3/4in, roughly 69.85mm. So I will be making phone calls today to get myself a set!!!



Has anyone measured theirs?
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Old April 15th, 2019, 07:57   #3394
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If you put the wheel on by progressively tightening the lug bolts it'll center without a ring, no problem.
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Old April 15th, 2019, 08:57   #3395
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Regardless, never rely on lugs to carry vehicle weight.


The hub is supposed to do that, the lugs keep the rim over the hub....

You're asking for trouble not having the hub carry thousands of pounds....

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Old April 15th, 2019, 09:16   #3396
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I can't tell you how many people at race tracks don't use hubcentric rings. I usually did, but not 100% of the time. I guess we're all lucky.
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Old April 15th, 2019, 09:29   #3397
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Regardless, never rely on lugs to carry vehicle weight.
Should be ordering some today. Measured them again just to make sure I got the right size. I can understand how it could be dangerous




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Old April 15th, 2019, 09:30   #3398
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Old April 15th, 2019, 09:55   #3399
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Well, finally got around to some maintenance. Put all 4 corners on jackstands. Took battery and tray out, found the different tray for bigger battery at junkyard last month. Been having slow crank during some recent colder snaps, with the new battery, so off with the starter and in with the new Chinese one(yeah, yeah). One I took out had Bosch stamped on end, so may be original(if it is,not bad for 434k miles). Draining the Amsoil filter good,keep sucking oil out. I've got all the lines for bypass off, need to get one out of valve cover when I change that out, will be selling bypass kit. Discovered a coolant leak on left side of block, it runs down seam of tranny/engine block when running. Tried tightening coolant glow plug block, still tight. Don't see any rust on the coolant hardpipe. Replaced cloth vaccum lines with what I had, I didn't have any more of the bigger diameter hose, so I left that be. I hope I rehooked everything up correctly, there are 2 valves mounted on firewall-the one closest to passenger side looks similar to one on driver side, but doesn't have lines coming off the 2 nipples on the left side like the other one, and I can't remember if I removed any from that valve( it does have egr delete). Took all 4 winter tires off, will be putting summer tires on. Decided to swap out headlight housings, I got a brand new aftermarket set with car when I bought it. The housings themselves and covers have the Hella insignia, but they melted the center of insignia off. Bought some Sylvania ZXE 9007 bulbs to go in them. Bumper cover was treat to remove, the left front torx bolt underneath decided to just spin and spin,so I took screwdiver and tapped all the way around it to get cover off over head. Had to pick up another bolt for skidplate today,need to find a washer now. Once I get back on ground I'll change the valve cover and try to get fitting out for the bypass kit, probably continue on Weds to finish it up....
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Old April 15th, 2019, 11:33   #3400
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Should be ordering some today. Measured them again just to make sure I got the right size. I can understand how it could be dangerous

Bako,

Your lugs hold the wheel, not that little lip. Just torque them evenly
and like IBW said, you'll have no problems.

What I suspect you may have with aftermarket wheels is the wrong
lug seat. There are 2 types, cone and ball. It they used the VW ball seat bolts in a cone seat,
and did not torque them evenly, you could have squashed/misshapen seats/countersink in the wheel.

I ran into this on a set of aftermarket wheels, bought the correct
countersink (60 degree IIRC) and reamed the wheels and then installed CONE seat bolts.

Yes, I did also get some plastic concentric wheel adapters,
but that's more a convenience factor when installing. The wheel
will hang on the lip while you get the lug bolts started.
Or, what I use is a long metric bolt with the head cut off of
the appropriate thread as a "hanger". This keeps my wheel
spacers aligned with the hub holes, and saves some confusion
when installing my wheels, which have 10 holes drilled.
One set of 5 is 5x100, the other 5x112.

My advice is to check that the lug bolts and seats in the wheel are matched.
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Old April 15th, 2019, 11:53   #3401
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If you put the wheel on by progressively tightening the lug bolts it'll center without a ring, no problem.
Even with the wheel bolts properly torqued, the wheel can still be knocked off-center (by a pothole, railroad crossing, etc). Been there, done that.
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Should be ordering some today. Measured them again just to make sure I got the right size. I can understand how it could be dangerous




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Old April 15th, 2019, 13:59   #3403
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I got the DieselGeek MK4 Shifter bushing kit installed yesterday. Huge improvement! I'm no longer struggling to get it into gear. I also swapped out my interior LED lights for some new ones. I put some LED's in it about 7 years ago when I first got the car, and they were honestly complete ****. It's amazing how much LED lights have improved since then.

Now I need to set some time aside to get the sigma-5 short shifter installed
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Old April 15th, 2019, 14:18   #3404
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Bako,
What I suspect you may have with aftermarket wheels is the wrong
lug seat. There are 2 types, cone and ball.
The wheel will hang on the lip while you get the lug bolts started.
Or, what I use is a long metric bolt with the head cut off of
the appropriate thread as a "hanger". This keeps my wheel
spacers aligned with the hub holes, and saves some confusion
when installing my wheels.

My advice is to check that the lug bolts and seats in the wheel are matched.
Yeah, it's such a pain to try and get the wheel back on without any studs...I honestly had not even thought of a bolt of the same thread size and remove the head and use that as a hanger. I did see the tool that metalnerd has for that, but a boltwill do the exact same thing. Thanks!!






Here are the two lug nut types...will definitely check.



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I did find another website that has all kinds of options, but Ebay might be my first option.
https://us.hubcentric-rings.com
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Old April 15th, 2019, 16:14   #3405
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Bako,

You got the idea man! A ball lug will tighten up in a straight taper
countersink, but the alloy of the wheel will distort and shift.
Ham handed use of an impact gun can easily cause damage.

I had a flat in Georgia and took the wheel in to a local shop.
Turned out the inner sidewall got chewed up, and I bought
a second hand tire. Turned my back on the tech and he was
outside "installing" my repaired wheel. My spare is a VW
wheel, which I had carefully installed my ball lugs on.
This guy was buzy slamming them into my cone seat wheel
with a big impact rattle gun.


"Hey! Where's your torque wrench?"
"A what?"
"Get 'em outa' there!" I grabbed my handy breaker bar and
couldn't move 'em.

I gave him the bar and said "You get 'em off."
He had a helluva time.

Once off, I installed my hanger, slipped the wheel on, finger
started the right cone head lugs, and finished off with my
torque wrench set to 85#s.

The cracker said, " I never seen a torque wrench like that."
His buddy was watching by now with some interest.

I just rolled my eyes, paid my $40 and left. I wasn't going to drive
the 1000 miles home without a spare, but frankly my spare is in
better shape than the "fix". This incidentally is not the first time
I've had to teach tire "techs" about proper torquing.

Replacement tire on its way from Tire Rack. And I will be checking
the seats when it goes on the rim, still got the tooling.
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