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Old March 23rd, 2019, 10:00   #301
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The thread can now get back on topic.

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Old March 24th, 2019, 20:16   #302
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Yes please bring this thread back on topic. Thank you all!
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Old March 30th, 2019, 08:31   #303
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Wind /solar/ VW interest in diesels quite a departure from the original subject. VW is going in a different direction. They are buying the electric thing that they will fail in as they have had in hybrids.

If their brilliant scientists can come up with a 500 mi battery you will have a huge success. Everyone is going for the holy grail good luck to all. I'm sure everybody has the same idea.
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Old March 30th, 2019, 10:00   #304
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Well, mild hybrids aren't exactly an enthralling subject matter, honestly. Any discussion is better than no discussion, imo. The drift police show up, and.... crickets.
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Old March 30th, 2019, 19:24   #305
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I spent a couple of hours with a '19 e-Golf SEL today, and I'm seriously considering it. A 2-3 year lease and then all the new ID models will be appearing. That smooth quiet torque is something, and the indicated power consumption was noticeably better than the EPA lists.

The EPA calculates the eMPG rating at 2.8 kWh per mile, and the dash display showed an average for my drive of 4.5 kWh per mile. Temps in the mid-60s, so the A/C was running, and climbing several good sized hills, along with a brief freeway jaunt. If that number holds for most of my driving, that would calculate out to a range close to 150 miles, which I would be satisfied with for now.
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Old March 30th, 2019, 21:22   #306
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I spent a couple of hours with a '19 e-Golf SEL today, and I'm seriously considering it. A 2-3 year lease and then all the new ID models will be appearing. That smooth quiet torque is something, and the indicated power consumption was noticeably better than the EPA lists.

The EPA calculates the eMPG rating at 2.8 kWh per mile, and the dash display showed an average for my drive of 4.5 kWh per mile. Temps in the mid-60s, so the A/C was running, and climbing several good sized hills, along with a brief freeway jaunt. If that number holds for most of my driving, that would calculate out to a range close to 150 miles, which I would be satisfied with for now.
Shouldn't that be 2.8 miles per kWh and 4.5 miles per kWh?
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Old March 31st, 2019, 09:14   #307
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Shouldn't that be 2.8 miles per kWh and 4.5 miles per kWh?
Yep, you're right. I reversed them. Too busy typing to proof-read I guess. Thanks for the catch. At least I had it right in my head.
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Old April 9th, 2019, 03:45   #308
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Good to see that VW hasn't thrown in the towel on Diesels.

I think mild hybrids will become the default for all manufacturers soon. I would prefer to see the starter generator be integrated with the flywheel, ala the original Honda Insight. This vehicle, with a properly driven manual transmission, still beats the pants off anything, anyone else has come up with in the nearly 20 years since.

That vehicle had one drawback. No EV only mode. The second gen insight had an EV only cruise mode, where under certain conditions it would shut down the fuel system and close all the valves. It was full cylinder deactivation. But it was still not as efficient as other hybrid systems and could not be used in stop and go traffic which is where other hybrids shine.

What I would really like to see is this type of system with a clutch between the engine and the motor/generator. This way you would have an efficient, low speed EV mode.

Another thought I had was something along the lines of what toyota is doing with the hybrid RAV4. Conventional ICE drivetrain up front, with a motor driving the rear. Use the rear for stop and go stuff as well as snow and drive it the rest of the time as a normal manual trans TDI.

I would love to see such a kit developed for existing TDIs.
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Old April 9th, 2019, 18:05   #309
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I would love to see such a kit developed for existing TDIs.
would be fairly easy with the wheel motors now available
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Old April 11th, 2019, 19:24   #310
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Sooo nice....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopni...1833978636/amp
VAG range seems to be utilizing the 48 volt systems in all their diesels now, pity we'll never get it
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Old April 13th, 2019, 07:29   #311
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What I would really like to see is the Insight type of system with a clutch between the engine and the motor/generator. This way you would have an efficient, low speed EV mode.
The Jetta Hybrid has a clutch to disconnect the engine from the wheels & run pure electric. I think the Hyundai hybrids too.

Personally I think pure EV in a mild hybrid is a waste. The Prius in pure EV mode only goes 1 mile and then the engine turns back on, so why even bother? Besides the Insight was only 1.0 liter..... 1 mile of low speed city driving is only 1/50th gallon of gasoline. Hardly wasteful

I’ve driven both Prius and Insight in L.A. and the Insight still gets higher MPG (even without EV mode)

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We've put 23,000 miles on our Model 3 in 6 months. I'd say the battery tech is there . Actually, the Model 3 starts at $35,000. Not sure where you get the $42,900 number from. J
Tesla hasnít built any $35,000 models yet. They are starting with the most-expensive models first (the ones 40,000 and up) and wonít begin manufacturer of base models until the summer.

ALSO: I could buy a $15,000 base Civic or Corolla or Focus or Versa or _____ and save 21,000 immediately (including taxes). Even if I drove them 200,000 miles worth of gasoline, Iíd still be spending less money for the life of the car

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The Jetta Hybrid has a clutch to disconnect the engine from the wheels & run pure electric. I think the Hyundai hybrids too.
Personally I think pure EV in a mild hybrid is a waste. The Prius in pure EV mode only goes 1 mile and then the engine turns back on, so why even bother? Besides the Insight was only 1.0 liter..... 1 mile of low speed city driving is only 1/50th gallon of gasoline. Hardly wasteful
Iíve driven both Prius and Insight in L.A. and the Insight still gets higher MPG (even without EV mode)
The EV-only mode is a hybrid's best feature in heavy traffic urban driving.
It's where a hybrid makes the most sense and delivers the biggest advantage in mpg.
Engine-off allows one to sit in stop and go traffic almost indefinitely without adding
to the local pollution as you inch along, a big plus in downtown congestion.
It's probably my favorite thing about our 11-year-old Escape Hybrid.
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would be fairly easy with the wheel motors now available
Exactly. It wouldn't need to be much power. 10 hp/wheel would be more than enough.

Imagine a 6 speed TDI 4x4 with regen braking and the ability to crawl along in urban traffic without having your left leg fall off from fatigue. It would be the best of both worlds. And I imagine it would be retrofittable to any tdi.

I suspect the only reason we haven't seen it yet has to do with our ridiculous regulatory system.
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