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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old February 4th, 2019, 08:33   #1
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Default 2015 Golf TDI with 150,000 miles. How much longer am I covered?

So I purchased my car about a year and a half ago (summer of 2017)). It had 100,000 miles on it when I purchased it from a used car lot. It had stage 1 of the fix done already. I have not done stage 2 yet and just clicked over 150,000 miles.

How much of the dieselgate warranty do I have left? I want to stretch it as long as possible. Back when I was doing a ton of research on it, I thought if I had stage 2 done at 160,000 miles it would cover me for an additional 100,000 miles (260,000 total). But it's been a while and wanted to check in to see.
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Old February 4th, 2019, 12:51   #2
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So I purchased my car about a year and a half ago (summer of 2017)). It had 100,000 miles on it when I purchased it from a used car lot. It had stage 1 of the fix done already. I have not done stage 2 yet and just clicked over 150,000 miles.
How much of the dieselgate warranty do I have left? I want to stretch it as long as possible. Back when I was doing a ton of research on it, I thought if I had stage 2 done at 160,000 miles it would cover me for an additional 100,000 miles (260,000 total). But it's been a while and wanted to check in to see.
It should cover your for the life of the vehicle, given that it already had 100K on it.

Why didn't you get a fresher, younger TDI with fewer miles? They were out there and could be had for cheap.

The 2011 JSW TDI I just purchased had only 26K on it and cost me $12,100 OTD.





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Old February 4th, 2019, 14:28   #3
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So I purchased my car about a year and a half ago (summer of 2017)). It had 100,000 miles on it when I purchased it from a used car lot. It had stage 1 of the fix done already. I have not done stage 2 yet and just clicked over 150,000 miles.
How much of the dieselgate warranty do I have left? I want to stretch it as long as possible. Back when I was doing a ton of research on it, I thought if I had stage 2 done at 160,000 miles it would cover me for an additional 100,000 miles (260,000 total). But it's been a while and wanted to check in to see.
IIRC your phase 1 dieselgate warranty will expire at 162,000 mi from new (could have the exact figure wrong but it's not far from that). Getting phase 2 done resets the warranty but you will already be past the 10 year / 162,000 mi from new condition and for the extension the 4 year / 48,000 mi from time and mileage of fix condition will apply. I may have the numbers slightly wrong but that's the gist of it.
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Old February 4th, 2019, 15:20   #4
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How much of the dieselgate warranty do I have left?
It seems as though you have 70k of warranty coverage remaining for your 2015 Gen 3. 10k remaining from Phase 1 and an additional 60k if Phase 2 is done at 160k. If you were to let the car go out of warranty for some amount of time after 160k, it seems as though getting the phase 2 done would bring the car back under warranty (assuming there is not an eligibility clause for getting the Phase 2 done while still under warranty)

If you bought your 2015 Gen 3 with 100k, the greater of clause would put your warranty as "5 years or 60,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the
date and mileage of Phase 1 of the emissions modification. At the time of the subsequent Phase 2 modification, the extended warranty will be honored for 5 years or 60,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the date and mileage of the completion of Phase 2."

This document states that getting the phase two modification does not impact (change) the warranty terms (on a Gen 3).

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The warranty period for the “Extended
Emissions Warranty” continues to be the greater of:
• 11 years or 162,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the vehicle’s original in- service date; OR
• 5 years or 60,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the date and mileage
of Phase 2
The warranty booklet for Gen 3 additionally lists changes in which parts are replaced depending on how many miles are on the car (auto v man). These changes are listed on page six of the booklet.

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If your car exceeds 40,000 miles (for automatic transmissions) or 70,000 miles (for manual transmissions) we will install updated emissions control system hardware - specifically a new Diesel Particulate Filter, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst, and Selective Catalytic Reduction Converter - that is needed to maintain emissions performance for the full useful life (150,000 miles) of your vehicle.
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Old February 4th, 2019, 17:54   #5
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So, it sounds like at 162,000 if I got phase 2 done, I would he covered until 222,000 then? That's how I am understanding it at least.

When the 2015 models came out, I loved them and wanted one badly. But I wanted to get a barely used one to save some $. Dieselgate followed and the only ones I could FIND for sale people were asking $8,000-$10,000 above what they paid new and the cars had 30-40k driven on them already. I wasn't going to get ripped off, so I waited. In the summer of 2017 finally I started finding somewhat reasonable prices. The cheapest one I found was my perfect shape mint condition 2015 with 100k on it for $13,000. It was actually a good deal at that time. Unfortunately for me, 6 months to a year later, you could buy a 2015 with 40k on it for $12,000. So, it was purely a timing thing. My car is still in mint shape, and obviously for the timeframe and the miles, you can see I drive a LOT. I have yet to have a single issue with mine, and hope that luck continues, but it's nice having a warranty just in case.
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Old February 6th, 2019, 13:21   #6
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In the summer of 2017 finally I started finding somewhat reasonable prices. The cheapest one I found was my perfect shape mint condition 2015 with 100k on it for $13,000. It was actually a good deal at that time. Unfortunately for me, 6 months to a year later, you could buy a 2015 with 40k on it for $12,000.
Remember, that the value of the car is both the condition and mileage.

That 2015 you purchased with 100K on it wasn't worth $13K.

For comparison, the 2011 JSW TDI I purchased this past week had only 26K and was in pristine condition without any mechanical flaws and news tires for $12,100K OTD.

I'd rather have the low mileage TDI if we're paying about the same price.



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Remember, that the value of the car is both the condition and mileage.
That 2015 you purchased with 100K on it wasn't worth $13K.
For comparison, the 2011 JSW TDI I purchased this past week had only 26K and was in pristine condition without any mechanical flaws and news tires for $12,100K OTD.
I'd rather have the low mileage TDI if we're paying about the same price.

He bought a two year old car for $13k. You bought a 7 year old car for $12.1k. Seems like you may have overpaid.
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Old February 6th, 2019, 15:55   #8
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The car has a phase 1 tune. You have no warranty.
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Old February 7th, 2019, 07:54   #9
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The car has a phase 1 tune. You have no warranty.
No one has mentioned an aftermarket "tune" yet. So far all that has been discussed is part one or part two of the VW emissions fix. There is still warranty left to some extent. Don't confuse things.
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So I agree. My car was 2 years old when I got it for $13k. I will also mention again the market value at the time was significantly higher than it was just a short time later for the 2015 model. My 2015 is a MUCH better designed car than the 2011 Jetta (much better mileage and power, not to mention comfort). The 7 year old car you bought is not anywhere near the value of my 2 year old car at that time. I saw several 2013 and 2014 models for $12k with 40,000-50,000 miles on them that I gladly passed on just for the higher mileage mint condition CRUA engine my 2015 offered.

For the tune. I have the factory tune in the car. Nothing has been modified to my car beyond the stage 1 fix yet. Once my warranty has fully expired for stage 2, I likely will get a Malone tune with an aftermarket exhaust. But until then I want the coverage the warranty gives me.
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He bought a two year old car for $13k. You bought a 7 year old car for $12.1k. Seems like you may have overpaid.
This is exactly what I thought. It sounds to me that the OP is going to get a hell of a value out of that $13k.
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No one has mentioned an aftermarket "tune" yet. So far all that has been discussed is part one or part two of the VW emissions fix. There is still warranty left to some extent. Don't confuse things.
My bad. I saw stage 1 and got confused. Sorry.
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This is exactly what I thought. It sounds to me that the OP is going to get a hell of a value out of that $13k.
Oh, I already have! I had done a lot of research on the 2015 TDI's and wanted one ever since they came out. It was literally the exact car I wanted. It was perfect for my long commute to work and daily driving that I do. I have owned the car a year and a half and already put on more than 50,000 miles. I love taking care of it with all it's regular maintenance and cleaning to keep it in that same mint shape it was when I bought it. I often ask people when they ride with me "how many miles do you think this has on it", and the highest number so far was "40,000 miles". They all are shocked when they find out I'm up to 150,000 miles now. The car has never given me any issues maintenance wise (minus one headlight that occasionally gets condensation on, which since they are vented headlights there does not seem to be anything I can do about it other than put a light bulb near it when it's parked to dry it out). I fully expect many more miles of enjoyment without maintenance issues.
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My 2004 diesel Excursion was the same way. It had over 300k miles on it and the one time I had it at the dealer they couldn't believe the condition for that many miles. It was almost like new they said.
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I bought a 2015 Golf TDI S DSG new for $18000 in 5/2017. I also bought a 2015 Golf sportwagen TDI S new for $20000 in 5/2017. These were great prices but could actually be found for less IIRC. Both had stage 1 on them. That 100k car you got was well overpriced. I'm glad you think it was OK but even you have to admit your timing was lousy.
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