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Old March 14th, 2018, 15:26   #7801
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Is it super smoky when you crank without starting?
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Old March 14th, 2018, 17:06   #7802
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It won't start. It turns over just fine. No smoke. All of the lights are on that need to be on. Maybe I'll move this over to the no start forum.
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Old March 14th, 2018, 20:17   #7803
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Well, I got it started. 1st it looked like there was excessive air in the clear fuel line at the pump so I cracked loose the fittings at the injectors and got some bubbles to come out. It still wouldn't start ough. I took the intake boot off that attaches to the race pipe and it started right up. I removed the in and out pipes on turbo compressor no FOD, no signs of damage. Definately oil in the intercooler. Compressor wheel seems to move freely. There was some smoke at start up and light haze while running with no intake tubes connected to the turbo. The turbo has been whining at start up for a long time. I did just change the oil and oil cooler seals and have lost about 3/4 of a quart of oil after only using the car for 2 very short trips. But could not see a leak any where. The good news is that think that turbo seals are bad and it's time for a new (upgraded) turbo.

Unfortunately I was not the person driving the car when it stopped running.

My wife said she stopped at a stop sign and the car died and then would not start. Could a bad turbo stop the car like that?

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Old March 14th, 2018, 20:36   #7804
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I'm about 10mi north of the cities, where are you?

Air filter/snow screen plugged? A vacuum drawn on the compressor seal can easily draw oil out.

Pretty normal to have blue/white smoke on startup when cold, or especially after a hard start. You'll have fuel cooking off the pistons and possibly even half the exhaust.
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Old March 17th, 2018, 10:01   #7805
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snow screening good. I got the turbo out. Now that it is on the bench I've found that the shaft had a bit more play in it than I thought. Do you think .015-.020 of play is enough to stop or bind the wheel? LoL. I did see some slight score Marks on compressor side inlet. It could make some sense now that when I took pipe off at the intake manifold it started up.
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Old March 17th, 2018, 17:15   #7806
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even with turbo locked it should start and idle

.020" radial is certainly getting there, and sure might be making for some oil getting past and interesting noises
engine should still start and run though
condensation in lower IC pipe frozen?

diag really isn't something that can be done over the internets

give you a thousand bucks for it ;P
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Old March 18th, 2018, 18:53   #7807
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even with turbo locked it should start and idle

.020" radial is certainly getting there, and sure might be making for some oil getting past and interesting noises
engine should still start and run though
condensation in lower IC pipe frozen?

diag really isn't something that can be done over the internets

give you a thousand bucks for it ;P
I've had a car not start due to a wheel which was stuck.
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Old March 18th, 2018, 21:47   #7808
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Well, I may be dealing with a no fuel issue. Origionally When I would turn the engine over I would'nt hear a single pop almost like there was no fuel. Then When I got the car started it started like normal. Thinking back now, there wasn't A Lot of extra smoke.

I did see a large bubble in the clear tube at the IP. Before I got it started I cracked the injection lines at the injectors and turned over the engine several times. I did see some bubbles come out. I did until I saw no bubbles. It still didn't start though , until I pulled the intake pipe.

I,m going to get my injectors cleaned and checked and get some upgraded nozzles(pp520 to DLC1019). Also, going to replace my IP seals cause they've been slowly weeping fuel for a long time. I think I may replace the shut off valve.

Another interesting note: once I got it started I only let it idle I did not try to rev it up at all. We will see what happens when i get back together. I'm going do things one at time to see if one thing or the other was the issue. I don't want do a bunch of things and not know which one of them did or did not fix the issue. It's still possible it is none of them though.
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Old March 19th, 2018, 08:32   #7809
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so your turbo's worn completely out and you get bigger nozzles?
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I've had a car not start due to a wheel which was stuck.
I guess I've forgotten how lean they run the cranking fuel maps on one of these as stock. Most other motors'll start and idle with some smoke.

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Old March 19th, 2018, 13:54   #7810
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If sensing your sarcasm, I think you’re right. Ive been waiting for a long time for my turbo to go because my wife won’t let me get a bigger one. So I can sneak in the vnt17. I’m going install the turbo do pump seals, shut valve and filter first. This could just be a clogged fuel filter because I haven’t changed in a long time. I’m going to get the fuel issue taken care of 1st then do as I’m telling my wife injector maintinace. The car done good I think. 240k on stock turbo and injectors. Pp520s and rc2 for about 140k. So after I sort the issues out I’ll be putting in nozzles, rc3,4? And 3 bar map.
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Old March 20th, 2018, 07:52   #7811
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I think pulling the intake hose was just a fluke. Your pump leaking fuel is a dead give away. Do the seals and replace the filter and go from there. FYI - when you crack the injectors, when the IP and injectors are bled will give a healthy spurt of fuel which should shoot up 6-12". Bubbles = air not out of the system.
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Old March 20th, 2018, 10:46   #7812
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Thank for the tip geeked. yesterday I ordered the turbo, filter&tstat and pump seal kit with cut off valve. I'll get turbo installed and to after the pump next. Even if that fixes it I'll have to tell my wife it not quite done though, otherwise I won't be able to get the injectors remand with a nozzle upgrade and a new tune.
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Old March 21st, 2018, 10:22   #7813
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The old nozzles are PP520's? If you're getting rid of them, let me know. I have an extra stock set if you need something to send in as well.

I do think that you have an air in fuel issue rather than a turbo one, but a 17 isn't a bad thing to upgrade to.
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Old March 23rd, 2018, 13:25   #7814
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Does anyone know Greengeekers phone number or shop name? Currently stuck in a parking lot with an 02 Jetta TDI that won’t start
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Old March 27th, 2018, 12:19   #7815
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Does anyone know Greengeekers phone number or shop name? Currently stuck in a parking lot with an 02 Jetta TDI that won’t start
Hopefully you got in contact with him (or got some other help). Any resolution, or do you need any other help?

If I had seen this sooner I might have tried to get in contact with him. I have his number but wouldn't want to just broadcast it since he is a busy guy with a family and a full time job.
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