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VW MKVI-A6 Jetta Sedan (~ 2011+) Discussions area for the MkVI (2011+) Jetta sedan. This model was originally codenamed NCS (New Compact Sedan).

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Old February 6th, 2018, 11:58   #16
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My 2015 Jetta SEL TDI 6 Speed Manual loaded up one of Chris’ last cars Has soul lots of it! Wife drives it now my 2014 328DX-drive is the most expensive and well appointed cars I have ever owned! And I love them both!
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Old February 28th, 2018, 12:52   #17
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I'm a flip-flopper. I listed the car for an exorbitant amount, 20% more than its listed value. My phone was ringing off the hook all day. I had cash offers, sight unseen. My only thought was this was the only manual transmission 2015 I could find anywhere on any of the classifieds in my area.

The thought of selling it now gave me seller's remorse, so I decided to keep it because I'm a jealous consumer stooge.

I ordered a trailer hitch, trailer light and brake controller, tinted windows... Now looking to liven up the noises with some exhaust mods.

For better or for worse, till' death do us part.
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Glad to hear you've come to your senses Really nothing like them on the market.
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Old March 2nd, 2018, 16:02   #19
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It took me driving a 1.4T Jetta to realize just how un-spunky and uninspired the TDI really is.
I just pulled the trigger on one of the last Silk Blue Mk6 Jetta SE's with 1.4T and manual transmission. I'm travelling out of state to pick it up next weekend. It's for the wife. She test drove one a couple of weeks ago. Her granny-driving-style doesn't really exploit the TDI's low-end torque. So I don't think she noticed any setbacks in performance.

Your comment reads as if the TDI is unspunky compared to the 1.4T. Overall horsepower is similar, but the TDI has more torque. How did the TDI feel unspunky when compared to the 1.4T? Or did I misinterpret your post?

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Old March 2nd, 2018, 17:14   #20
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My 2013 Jetta Hybrid came with the same 1.4 T Motor and added a 27 HP electric motor and 7 speed DSG this was a neat car and it was pretty quick....problem with adding an electric was if you pressed down on the go pedal it would go unfortunately the gas did too....never got anywhere near the advertised Gas mileage and you lost gas tank size and trunk size!
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Old March 2nd, 2018, 19:52   #21
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I just pulled the trigger on one of the last Silk Blue Mk6 Jetta SE's with 1.4T and manual transmission. I'm travelling out of state to pick it up next weekend. It's for the wife. She test drove one a couple of weeks ago. Her granny-driving-style doesn't really exploit the TDI's low-end torque. So I don't think she noticed any setbacks in performance.
Your comment reads as if the TDI is unspunky compared to the 1.4T. Overall horsepower is similar, but the TDI has more torque. How did the TDI feel unspunky when compared to the 1.4T? Or did I misinterpret your post?
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No, you pretty well got it. It's hard to put my thumb on any one point, but I'll try to explain. Even though the max power is similar and the TDI has more torque, it seems slower. The power delivery is much smoother, to the detriment of character. It's the type over over-refinement I expect to find in a Lexus. The 1.4 has just the right amount of NVH. Other than that, the power just seems more usable and ready in the 1.4T. It winds up faster, and it seemed like passing on the highway was more effortless. The TDI certainly feels utilitarian and versatile. A quiet performer that sits in the corner and never complains. Very... German, yet unexciting.

The complexity of the TDI is staggering, and it scares me. The amount of fuel lines, coolant lines, DEF lines, wires, clamps, coolers, aux water pumps, variable oil pump, water pump damper, delicate emissions system, etc. Big ??? items like cylinder pressure sensors, high pressure EGR, rubber belt in oil for oil pump, VCDS for a fuel filter every 20k... Poor engineering for serviceability, like oil filter underneath because of a knee-jerk reaction to icing intercoolers. That filter is obscured by wires and hoses that must be moved out of the way. Even if careful, oil changes are messy and time consuming...

The 1.4T is beautifully simple. Lots of room to work on all sides of the engine. This feels like the modern-day ABA. VW's blue collar engine. Just enough power to be exciting, yet a solid performer. Tunability of turbo. Simple service intervals, cheaper oil... and 40mpg on the highway. And VERY cheap to buy comparatively.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd go for a manual trans 1.4T. I'm not sure if had a EA288, but you'll see what I mean when you get to know your wife's new car.
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Old March 3rd, 2018, 04:52   #22
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The 1.4T is beautifully simple. Lots of room to work on all sides of the engine. This feels like the modern-day ABA. VW's blue collar engine. Just enough power to be exciting, yet a solid performer. Tunability of turbo. Simple service intervals, cheaper oil... and 40mpg on the highway. And VERY cheap to buy comparatively.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd go for a manual trans 1.4T. I'm not sure if had a EA288, but you'll see what I mean when you get to know your wife's new car.
John, you're words are sure positive - in that a '17 Jetta 1.4/5M followed my buyback '13 JSW TDI 6M.

The diesel's torque, fuel efficiency and inner space factors remain with me.......

But your view on the 1.4 really mirrors mine........HALF the wagon's OTD cost and close to her fuel numbers!!


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Old March 3rd, 2018, 06:26   #23
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John,

Thanks for the clarification. We're finalizing the 1.4T purchase now. I'll use the 550-mile return trip to ensure the engine is broken-in properly. I'm currently waiting for VW to switch my claim from "fix" to "buyback." So the buyback will proceed soon. Someone is coming to look at my old Mk3 tomorrow. I may soon find myself without a TDI in my driveway for the first time in 20 years.

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Old March 5th, 2018, 08:39   #24
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16vJohn, If I were you, I would not let your car go. There simply not many MT on 2015 Jetta's in the market and if you sell it, you would be hard pressed to find a car that would share the general characteristics--that we all appreciate--of Europen TDI cars.

I am in the process of buying 2015 Jetta TDI with DSG. I had driven the car twice [as a test drive], the vehicle just did not accelerate the way my current 2010 Jetta TDI does. With higher hp and better torque band, one would expect the 2015 out perform the EA189 engine easily, but this not what I have noticed and it's disappointing.

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I am in the process of buying 2015 Jetta TDI with DSG. I had driven the car twice [as a test drive], the vehicle just did not accelerate the way my current 2010 Jetta TDI does. With higher hp and better torque band, one would expect the 2015 out perform the EA189 engine easily, but this not what I have noticed and it's disappointing.
A tune fixes that.

I like my GSW, and it's a keeper, but I still like the more mechanical nature of older TDIs. Right now my '15 is sitting in the corner of my garage on a battery tender.
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Old March 5th, 2018, 09:50   #26
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I hope you all don't forget the "other" benefit of TDI"S....no lines when there is a fuel "crunch" or some other "gas" shortage ( if and/or when it ever happens) and the stability of diesel.. last much longer than gas..I can store 100 gallons in a dispenser tank on my property..kinda handy..
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Old March 5th, 2018, 10:11   #27
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A tune fixes that.

I like my GSW, and it's a keeper, but I still like the more mechanical nature of older TDIs. Right now my '15 is sitting in the corner of my garage on a battery tender.

I guess so, a tune would be in near future as I expect to get the vehicle this weekend. Actually I was buying yesterday, but there was slight vibration at highway speeds, so I asked them to repair it before I buy the car. When it comes to TDI's I never like the idea of buying used, however this time having no choice I have to buy the used one with 25K on the odometer.
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Old March 8th, 2018, 16:26   #28
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Scott, how are you liking the 1.4? My TDI Jetta is back at the dealer for the 4th time for timing belt issues, so they gave me the 1.4T loaner again. Since it's a bit warmer now, I decided to check out the engine bits.

No maf, integrated diverter valve, water to air intercooler, water cooled turbo. I really like the design. The turbo sounds are very loud with the stock airbox removed. It's got a lot of character. I'd like to try one with a manual transmission.
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Old March 9th, 2018, 03:57   #29
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The 1.4T is beautifully simple. Lots of room to work on all sides of the engine. .

This engine is in no way as simple as the old SOHC 2.0L cross flow engines, LMAO. The forced induction alone compounds the complexity quite a bit, but add in the vario intake, vario cams, vario flow water pump (which is a $300 part, made of plastic, and they are already starting to fail...), there are two thermostats, an additional water pump (because you know, one overly complex fragile one isn't enough... let's add another one!)... heck, even the oil pump is controlled electronically!

I think it performs admirably well for its small size. But simple it is not. Not by a long shot.
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John,

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Scott, how are you liking the 1.4? My TDI Jetta is back at the dealer for the 4th time for timing belt issues, so they gave me the 1.4T loaner again. Since it's a bit warmer now, I decided to check out the engine bits.
I'm flying to OH tonight to pick up the car tomorrow. Tomorrow will be my first drive. We'll see what kind of MPGs it pulls on a 99% highway trip back to VA.

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