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Old February 5th, 2018, 06:33   #16
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Some valid points Jason but I don't think a 240watt oil pan heater, mounted on the outside of an oil pan, can "coke" any oil and certainly not the modern synthetic oils that are engineered to run at MUCH higher temps, in a turbo bearing for instance.
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Old February 5th, 2018, 08:04   #17
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Biggest draw back of oil pan heaters was coked oil and, being on the bottom of the oil pan.
At what temp of the oil does it get coked or cooked?
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Old February 6th, 2018, 08:47   #18
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I remember when VW used to sell those oil pan heaters. The few pans that I took off were pretty nasty in the bottom where the heater was attached.

Don't get me wrong, oil pan heaters have their place, but since most are not thermostatically controlled its up to the operator to use good judgement. Leaving it plugged in all night to keep the engine warm will not do good things to the oil.

And your correct - good modern synthetic shouldn't break down like the older Dino oil, but also reduces the need for the heater in the first place.

If I lived somewhere like Alaska or Yukon I would have pan heater on engine, trans, coolant heater like FrostHeater, and battery warmer.

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Old February 8th, 2018, 11:54   #19
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Maybe control the pan heater using a temperature controller? I use these for various things (controlling an egg chiller- chest freezer, and turning on/off a heat lamp in my pump house):

http://cgproducts.johnsoncontrols.co...PDF/125188.PDF

Really handy.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 12:39   #20
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This whole thread seems pretty absurd. A frostheater or equivalent will make your car start like it is the middle of the summer in Florida. The oil has to have some heat in it just from the coolant being hot so it isn't like molasses when you start your car. The battery barely works to roll the car over so adding battery blankets seems unnecessary.

Why try to fix what isn't broken... unless of course you live in the Yukon.

Heck, half the people around here talking about frostheaters see -0F and below about 3 times a year.
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Old March 26th, 2018, 18:48   #21
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This is what I'm hoping to be a fix for my North Dakota cold starts! Wolverine pan heater, model 25 (250watts 6" x 2.5") I just cut out the plastic on the oil pan cover because I didn't want to risk it melting and I also cut out a portion of the insulation out of the splash guard. https://ibb.co/fPX9qS
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Old March 26th, 2018, 20:10   #22
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Be careful of those oil pan heaters, I've seen several posts regarding them causing fires due to proximity to the plastic skid pans.

Installing my webasto this weekend. No more cold engine starts. Was looking at the new espar unit but got a webasto for next to nothing
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Old March 26th, 2018, 21:35   #23
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I'm thinking about an oil pan heater myself, my Jetta already has a coolant heater. I've always used both coolant and pan heaters here in Montana, and during my time in North Dakota.(as cold as the Yukon) ha.

I've also seen heating pads RTV'd to aircooled aircraft piston engines.(oil pan and top of case.)

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Old March 26th, 2018, 22:19   #24
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I am an new owner of a Frostheater, and I am glad I finally purchased one. We are having an exceptionally long and cold winter here in Northern Nevada; four hours seems to be the perfect amount of "preheat" and this morning I forgot to turn the heater on, big puffs of smoke and a "grumpy" engine as well.
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Old March 27th, 2018, 04:39   #25
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I've also seen heating pads RTV'd to aircooled aircraft piston engines.(oil pan and top of case.)
I'm not doubting they do a job, however they don't get hit by road debris such as ice chunks which knock/rip them off on aircraft. I removed mine because I bought a frostheater a while back and found it invaluable for cold morning winter starts for my mk4.
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Old March 27th, 2018, 08:56   #26
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My pan heater is completely covered by the lower "splash guard" so no chance of it get hit by debris and ripping off. I am slightly concerned/cautious though about it somethow causing a fire. Thats why I made that cut out and removed some of the insulation in the splash guard.
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The year or so I spent in Montana I used a Frostheater. That made for wonder full toasty starts even in -40F to -60F mornings. No pan heater needed, proper oil took care of the cold start lubrication. 163k miles before driver cut me off and totaled it, the car drove great and pulled camper and uhaul without wimper.

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Old March 27th, 2018, 12:30   #28
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The year or so I spent in Montana I used a Frostheater. That made for wonder full toasty starts even in -40F to -60F mornings.
Those must include wind chill? I know it gets cold in Montana but how many -60F mornings did you see?

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http://montanakids.com/facts_and_fig...e_Extremes.htm
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My pan heater is completely covered by the lower "splash guard" so no chance of it get hit by debris and ripping off.
Ask the guys that buy panzer plates for their vehicles why they choose to spend $400 on a skid plate
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Be careful of those oil pan heaters, I've seen several posts regarding them causing fires due to proximity to the plastic skid pans.

Installing my webasto this weekend. No more cold engine starts. Was looking at the new espar unit but got a webasto for next to nothing
The reason that these oil pan heaters started fires was....

The pan heaters are peel and stick and come with a small tube of rtv which is only meant to seal around the edge of the heater to keep moisture out.
Some guys did not read the instructions and used the rtv to simply glue the heaters on to the pan. When the heater warmed up the paper peeled off and the heater fell down on the plastic skid pan.

I have used literally dozens of these pan heaters over 25 or more years and have never had one fall off or start a fire.
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