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Old January 6th, 2018, 21:16   #826
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Thanks for that post! This would include me as I sold my Passat only a day or so before the cut off date. Signed up with SBHH LLP.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 07:42   #827
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Thanks for that post! This would include me as I sold my Passat only a day or so before the cut off date. Signed up with SBHH LLP.
So what did you lose out on if you sold it before scandal reduced prices?
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Old January 7th, 2018, 08:38   #828
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Thanks for that post! This would include me as I sold my Passat only a day or so before the cut off date. Signed up with SBHH LLP.
No wonder you're mad about the "flippers."
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Old January 7th, 2018, 08:46   #829
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GolfTDISA - Thanks for the post. I agree with VW. If no one knew about an event, then how did those people lose? As an example, if I bought a bitcoin for $1 and sold it for $100 but now it is worth $16,000 today and (hypothetically) there is some fraud lawsuit. Should I inure benefit from the lawsuit? I would say no. But I do not care if judges approves or denies this. I do care about salvage titles. Those are explicit in the document and they are not being addressed. Cabreaser has been lying to the class for months about this issue it is time to fix it.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 14:14   #830
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GolfTDISA - Thanks for the post. I agree with VW. If no one knew about an event, then how did those people lose? As an example, if I bought a bitcoin for $1 and sold it for $100 but now it is worth $16,000 today and (hypothetically) there is some fraud lawsuit. Should I inure benefit from the lawsuit? I would say no. But I do not care if judges approves or denies this. I do care about salvage titles. Those are explicit in the document and they are not being addressed. Cabreaser has been lying to the class for months about this issue it is time to fix it.
Exactly. I'm coming to the conclusion (even without the salvage issue) that the TDI was not the great deal it was cracked up to be. There was a premium price for it, compared to the gas version--I seem to recall on the order of $4500 or so. With the fuel economy gain, one could expect to come out ahead over time, as long as the price difference between diesel fuel and gas stayed fairly low. Here recently, at least in eastern PA/Jersey, the differential cost between fuels is approaching 50 cents a gallon. No way that diesel engine pays for itself.

How exactly were any of us injured if we got rid of the car before Sept 15, 2015? Normal depreciation applied.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 14:26   #831
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In my opinion previous owners will not collect a dime , is it fair ?in my opinion it is not ,but it is to late for lawsuits they had time until last year deadlines to do something . They are just slowing us down the "current owners" in collecting .
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Old January 7th, 2018, 14:35   #832
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The next report comes out on the 30th of this Month. Instead chatting and not doing anything I say let all of us email and demand to find out what the hold up is for. All until now everyone is just guessing this and that , our counsel lawyers are supposedly have no clue of what even Judge will rule on. Let all build some steam by all of us separately Emailing and making a complaint to Federal Trade commision https://www.ftc.gov/ , the Ankura counselors located on this address handling quarterly reports https://ankura.com/?s=volkswagen+ and EPA https://www.epa.gov/ maybe someone will react or VW will have the decency to let people know.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 16:56   #833
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Exactly. I'm coming to the conclusion (even without the salvage issue) that the TDI was not the great deal it was cracked up to be. (SIC)
How exactly were any of us injured if we got rid of the car before Sept 15, 2015? Normal depreciation applied.
Prior to 2009 the TDI was a fantastic deal even if you paid more. Unfortunately the emissions control equipment made ownership more problematic. For instance the 2004 Jetta TDI needed the timing belt (also the water pump if you're smart) done at 85K at a cost of $800. I think VW (and most mfgs) erred on marketing the 3.0 tdi and should have specified that the DEF pump and heater be replaced at 100k at a subsidized cost of $800. The Mfgs bought into the mythology that diesels could last forever rather than keeping with the times.

I like the performance and feel of the diesel in a ruck and would pay a premium, much like upgrading to a V8. However on the issue of former owners saying they got screwed because they sold before September 18, 2015 are probably the same people who didn't dump money into the stock market when it bottomed out in 2008. It was a missed opportunity, but it was their decision and a little bit of bad luck.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:12   #834
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The next report comes out on the 30th of this Month. Instead chatting and not doing anything I say let all of us email and demand to find out what the hold up is for. All until now everyone is just guessing this and that , our counsel lawyers are supposedly have no clue of what even Judge will rule on. Let all build some steam by all of us separately Emailing and making a complaint to Federal Trade commision https://www.ftc.gov/ , the Ankura counselors located on this address handling quarterly reports https://ankura.com/?s=volkswagen+ and EPA https://www.epa.gov/ maybe someone will react or VW will have the decency to let people know.
GOlftdisa is correct. We need to keep the pressure on. I have spoken with class counsel several times and I am less than impressed. It is not that they are saying things I disagree with, it is that they do not have their finger on the pulse of the salvage issue. I think keeping up the pressure is a great idea. I will shoot some emails and make some phone calls. Maybe the squeaky wheel (nice salvage pun) will get some needed grease.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 08:12   #835
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No wonder you're mad about the "flippers."


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This was filed in Dec /15/2017
VW urged a federal judge to trim claims in a class action filed by diesel car owners who sold their vehicles before the infamous “defeat device” scandal was revealed.

Lead plaintiffs alleged in their class action lawsuit that they have been excluded from several other class actions, but suffered losses due to the lowered value of their VW vehicles equipped with the so-called defeat device.

VW argues that former owners who sold their cars or ended their leases before regulators revealed in September 2015 that the company had included a device designed to “defeat” or falsely lower emissions testing results do not have a claim because they suffered no loss.

The car company claims that those who sold their VW or Audi vehicles before the scandal broke are trying to cash in on a “windfall” even though the value of their vehicle was not affected at the time they transferred ownership.

VW points out that in previous class actions over the emissions scandal, plaintiffs dropped proposed Classes including VW owners and lessees who sold their vehicles before the scandal hit.

“Notably, the [Plaintiffs’ Steering Committee’s (PSC)] original consolidated consumer class complaint incorporated the Pre-[Notices of Violation (NOV)] Plaintiffs into its broad class definition, which included ‘all persons and entities in the United States who purchased or leased’ …vehicles at any time,” states VW in its motion to dismiss the class action. “But the PSC elected to drop any purported claims on behalf of owners and lessees who sold or stopped leasing their vehicles before the NOVs, with their own expert noting that ‘individuals who sold their vehicles prior to disclosure of the fraud . . . suffered no economic harm, since they sold their vehicles before the announcement of the fraud and the resulting price drop of the vehicles.'”

This VW class action lawsuit is trying to make VW pay twice, claims the car-maker, by compensating owners and lessees both before and after the defeat device scandal dropped.

However, the former VW owners and lessees argue in their class action lawsuit that they purchased their VW or Audi vehicles under the false pretense that the cars were environmentally friendly. The former owners allege that they suffered harm, even though they were unaware, because they paid more for vehicles that were advertised as emitting less pollution.

VW counters by claiming that the plaintiffs did not adequately establish that they paid a premium for their VW and Audi vehicles based on environmental factors.

“The Complaint does not plead what portion, if any, of the diesel model price was supposedly attributable specifically to lower NOx emissions, as opposed to other beneficial performance aspects of diesel models that the Pre-NOV Plaintiffs concede they obtained,” contends VW in its motion to dismiss.

The plaintiffs are represented by Shana E. Scarlett and Steve W. Berman of Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro LLP, and Stuart M. Paynter of The Paynter Law Firm PLLC.

The Volkswagen Former Owners Class Action Lawsuit is Jennifer Nemet, et al. v. Volkswagen Group of America Inc., et al., Case No. 3:17-cv-04372, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
Did I miss the part that covered denied claims based on salvage status?
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Old January 8th, 2018, 12:06   #836
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Please send complaint to
Volkswagen Group of America
2200 Ferdinand Porsche Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171
(248) 754-5000

Secondly to Federal Trade commission please use the phone number as well
FTC Phone number 877-382-4357

and mostly on Ankara Consulting tom.geddes@ankura.com

Thomas J. Geddes is an Associate at Ankura where he focuses primarily on claim processing and facilitating technology-enabled solutions in regards to the Volkswagen TDI Emissions Settlement matter. He is a recently graduated legal professional with extensive experience drafting and reviewing contracts and agreements, specifically in the areas of intellectual property, licensing, and business development. He is based in Washington, DC.

Director:
john.hays@ankura.com

John Hays is a Director at Ankura with considerable experience in all aspects of mass tort settlement administration, including managing teams to both develop and utilize technology-assisted solutions to efficiently process and administrate historically complex mass tort settlements. Additionally, as the head of Ankura’s Volkswagen Clean Diesel Settlement project management office, John manages all areas of budgeting, invoicing, financial modeling/reporting, and personnel tracking. He is based in Washington, DC
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Lastly EPA
epa general email: OTAQ@epa.gov, or Iddings.Brianna@epa.gov

People lets bombard these people with our Emails we got nothing to lose.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 13:21   #837
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Great Info GolfTDI, just submitted mine, lets all focus on what we can do regardless of outcome. Like Jeffcapp said we need to be squeeky to the right people, class counsel has turned a def ear to us. Clear, rebuilt and salvage tiles are all being delayed, this is not part of the settlement which has been said over and over.

Can a moderator, please put this up at the top, how to file an appeal with crc, ftc, epa? We need many complaints on record or nothing will be noted when the judge rules on this.


Lead Counsel of entire settlement, all other attorneys assist my understanding. Not sure who or which directly speaks to vw, but we are getting pushed off to paralegals now.

Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein, LLP
275 Battery Street, 29th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94111

Website:
https://www.lieffcabraser.com/contact

T (415) 956 1000 fx (415) 956 1008

Attorney: Phong Nguyen
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pgnguyen@lchb.com

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Old January 8th, 2018, 15:11   #838
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T (415) 956 1000 fx (415) 956 1008

Attorney: Phong Nguyen
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Is Phong Nguyen the person at LC that is the plaintiff in direct talks with VW or is he an attorney that is privey, or somewhat privey to what is being discussed?
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Old January 8th, 2018, 15:25   #839
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WE NEED AS MANY AS POSSIBLE TO GET THIS DONE, PLEASE SPEND THE TIME TO DO IT. Advise nothing is being done. We need to all do our part so that something is done other than wait, we have time to do this now so that when judge makes his ruling maybe our voice will be heard or prior to the report coming out on the 30th documenting the problems with the settlement.

TO FILE A REPORT WITH EPA: use contact us link, report a violation on their website at:
www.epa.gov

email contacts direct< OTAQ@epa.gov, or Iddings.Brianna@epa.gov or ?

REGISTER FTC COMPLAINT ON THEIR WEBSITE:

www.ftc.gov
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FILE A CONSUMPER COMPLAINT, OTHER, AUTOMOBILE

You can email jcohen2@ftc.gov

You will need to cut and paste VW address to complete this.

Volkswagen Group of America
2200 Ferdinand Porsche Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171
(248) 754-5000

www.volkswagengroupamerica.com

COURT APPOINTED CLAIMS SUPERVISOR email them as well nothing being done on hold not accounted for in reports our types of cases.
https://ankura.com/?s=volkswagen+

Email or call them to advise direct:
Ankara Consulting Associate: tom.geddes@ankura.com
Director: john.hays@ankura.com

1220 19th Street, NW, Suite 700, Washington, DC 20036
+1.202.797.1111 Main
+1.202.797.3619 Fax


LASTLY IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY DONE SO.
TO FILE AN APPEAL WITH THE CRC

email appeal to: crc@vwcourtsettlement.com
To submit an appeal to the Claims Review Committee, you must send a written request to appeal to the Claims Review Committee, ALOT EASIER to just email them at crc@vwcourtsettlement.com or via mail at P.O. Box 214500, Auburn Hills, MI 48321

Your request must include:
Name, address, telephone number, VIN number and Claim Reference Number.
A brief statement explaining why you believe the ineligibility determination or offer amount calculation was in error. For Now state claim delayed or offer amount not given? Anything to just get on record?

OUR LEAD ATTORNEY Class Counsel:

Lead Counsel of entire settlement, all other attorneys assist my understanding. Not sure who or which directly speaks to vw.

Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein, LLP
275 Battery Street, 29th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94111

Website:
https://www.lieffcabraser.com/contact

T (415) 956 1000 fx (415) 956 1008

Attorney: Phong Nguyen
email:
pgnguyen@lchb.com

Elizabeth Cabraser
ecabraser@lchb.com

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Old January 8th, 2018, 16:28   #840
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I Agree with JOHTDI that is at least what we can do , instead of doing nothing . JOHTDI gread job listing all of them
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