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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old July 23rd, 2016, 09:34   #256
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http://www.chicoer.com/business/2016...ting-fix-ready
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Old July 23rd, 2016, 09:37   #257
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I'd have no problem keeping my car as is. If they give me money no strings attached, I'd be happy taking that, too. Replacing my tune with 'fixed' software, and modifying my Buzzken exhaust - not so happy with that.
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Old July 23rd, 2016, 10:10   #258
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Take their money and refix it?
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Old July 23rd, 2016, 10:55   #259
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BTW, I just did the calculation, and per-capita there are twice as many TDIs sold in Canada than the US.
US = .15% of population owns a 2.0 CR TDI
CAN = .30% of population owns a 2.0 CR TDI

So technically we have more to lose than the US!
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Old July 23rd, 2016, 20:56   #260
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Interesting article ...

http://www.chicoer.com/business/2016...ting-fix-ready

Might not be a buyback after all??
Sounds like a fix is possible: the main question is whether or not this is just a rehash of the already-proposed fix that was put down earlier in the year by the EPA/CARB due to a lack of information on the part of VW and/or unsatisfactory information regarding effects on vehicles and long-term longevity.

I read somewhere else that this announcement might have had more to do with keeping dealers happy rather than anything substantive in regards to actually fixing vehicles.

I seriously doubt that they will get this fix ready and approved in time to settle matters here: that being said, if we get a fix forced on us without the option for a buyback (aka a deal similar to that in the U.S.) then we should definitely be letting our displeasure be known. It would also mean that I would NEVER buy another VW due to the lack of respect that such a decision would show towards Canadian owners.

Thought I would add this link to a Reddit discussion about this topic: some of the opinions are quite interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tdi/comment...ad&sh=cd68a64b
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Old July 23rd, 2016, 20:58   #261
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BTW, I just did the calculation, and per-capita there are twice as many TDIs sold in Canada than the US.
US = .15% of population owns a 2.0 CR TDI
CAN = .30% of population owns a 2.0 CR TDI

So technically we have more to lose than the US!
To put it another way, VW has more to lose here than in the U.S.! It really is interesting that we have twice the rate of purchase of TDIs compared to the U.S.: they should definitely be taking care of Canadians as well.
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Old July 23rd, 2016, 23:49   #262
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I seriously doubt that they will get this fix ready and approved in time to settle matters here: that being said, if we get a fix forced on us without the option for a buyback (aka a deal similar to that in the U.S.) then we should definitely be letting our displeasure be known. It would also mean that I would NEVER buy another VW due to the lack of respect that such a decision would show towards Canadian owners.
The decision you are referring to is the judge's decision, not VW's.

VW's decision was to lie and cheat, and their decision on the matter would be to do nothing about it. They'd still be doing it if they weren't caught.

If they don't offer to buy your car back, that'll be because the court didn't order them to. You should blame the judge.

It's the same in the USA. VW didn't decide to buy back the cars. They were ordered to. They aren't doing it because they care about the customers. The judge cared about the customers.

Consumer protection laws in Canada are weak. The judge may have no legal basis to order a buyback if a fix is enough to make the customer whole. We don't have a "lemon law" like the USA, where they have to buy a car back if they can't fix it after a certain amount of time, or however it works.

VW will tell the Canadian judge that they have a fix, the car can be made compliant and the customer will have what they paid for. No judge in Canada is going to force them to do more than that. Can't see it, sorry to say.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 04:26   #263
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I have a 2013 diesel passat that i bought in november of that year brand new. so I had less than 2 years of service with it before the scandal broke out. Because of life style changes I wanted to buy another vehicle type. Car was listed at $34,500 with the tech package/comfort line. Early spring this year I was offered the best trade in of $16,000 wholesale price. I also tried to sell it on my own and gave up as nobody wanted to buy it.

VW has me prisoner with this car and I would lose a great deal amount of money. I bought into like everyone else a high resale value on the diesels. I am not flush with money so I just can not nor will not be taken to the cleaners on VW's illegal and deceitful actions.

I believe that like the USA we will have a parallel settlement. Its in the best interests of VW and we have class action lawyers here in Canada chewing on their butts to Force them to do so as a bit of extra insurance. VW has also said that this will happen to the customers here in Canada.

I am at the end of a timeline for all this to happen to make right to me what VW has criminally done to me and others. I need to liquidate this car and my patience is near end. I am and have been closely following all events related to my diesel car and VW buyout options so I am trying to be as rational as I can knowing that this scandal does not revolve just around me because of their criminal actions.

If this Canadian VW scandle drags on past the USA settlement conditions I will try to accelerate my buyout and grab attention to future VW customers here in Sarnia Ontario the Criminal actions and Contempt that VW has for customers.

I am going to wash my beautiful white Diesel Passat and will be writing in BLACK water paints all kinds of truthful derogatory words all over my car aimed at VW. I am then going to parade my car around the Sarnia VW dealership, business centres, the many dealerships around VW dealership and main streets to draw attention. For everday that VW screws me around I will parade my car around over,over and over again day after day. I will of course be giving the VW dealership my contact numbers and advance heads up to my actions should they want to call me. Being retired I certainly have the time to do this. I have checked with our city police and they have said that I have the right to free expression. Just do not put anything threatening in my wording.

I do not believe that it will come to this but i will not allow VW to criminally screw me over thousands of dollars and hold me hostage because i can not sell my car at a fair market value. I do not want to take an extreme financial bath. I will not remain passive, take it up the butt and do nothing when i can do something at the right time. If i can sway future customers from buying a VW then I can say since VW you scammed me over thousands of dollars, I got justice because I swayed many potential buyers from buying from you VW and that cost you thousands and thousands of dollars. Sarnia is a very small city and the impact will be awesome to get Canada Corporate VW's attention. Wishing us all diesel owners the best in our favour upcoming...Cheers

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Old July 24th, 2016, 05:14   #264
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I have a 2013 diesel passat that i bought in november of that year brand new. so I had less than 2 years of service with it before the scandal broke out. Because of life style changes I wanted to buy another vehicle type. Car was listed at $34,500 with the tech package/comfort line. Early spring this year I was offered the best trade in of $16,000 wholesale price. I also tried to sell it on my own and gave up as nobody wanted to buy it.

VW has me prisoner with this car and I would lose a great deal amount of money. I bought into like everyone else a high resale value on the diesels. I am not flush with money so I just can not nor will not be taken to the cleaners on VW's illegal and deceitful actions.

I believe that like the USA we will have a parallel settlement. Its in the best interests of VW and we have class action lawyers here in Canada chewing on their butts to Force them to do so as a bit of extra insurance. VW has also said that this will happen to the customers here in Canada.

I am at the end of a timeline for all this to happen to make right to me what VW has criminally done to me and others. I need to liquidate this car and my patience is near end. I am and have been closely following all events related to my diesel car and VW buyout options so I am trying to be as rational as I can knowing that this scandal does not revolve just around me because of their criminal actions.

If this Canadian VW scandle drags on past the USA settlement conditions I will try to accelerate my buyout and grab attention to future VW customers here in Sarnia Ontario the Criminal actions and Contempt that VW has for customers.

I am going to wash my beautiful white Diesel Passat and will be writing in BLACK water paints all kinds of truthful derogatory words all over my car aimed at VW. I am then going to parade my car around the Sarnia VW dealership, business centres, the many dealerships around VW dealership and main streets to draw attention. For everday that VW screws me around I will parade my car around over,over and over again day after day. I will of course be giving the VW dealership my contact numbers and advance heads up to my actions should they want to call me. Being retired I certainly have the time to do this. I have checked with our city police and they have said that I have the right to free expression. Just do not put anything threatening in my wording.

I do not believe that it will come to this but i will not allow VW to criminally screw me over thousands of dollars and hold me hostage because i can not sell my car at a fair market value. I do not want to take an extreme financial bath. I will not remain passive, take it up the butt and do nothing when i can do something at the right time. If i can sway future customers from buying a VW then I can say since VW you scammed me over thousands of dollars, I got justice because I swayed many potential buyers from buying from you VW and that cost you thousands and thousands of dollars. Sarnia is a very small city and the impact will be awesome to get Canada Corporate VW's attention. Wishing us all diesel owners the best in our favour upcoming...Cheers
I once knew a guy who did something similar to this, but on a smaller scale: he had a Corvette which turned out to be a complete lemon. He put a magnetic sign on each side of the car, which was a huge yellow lemon, and then parked it at the dealership whenever it had to be dropped off for service. It did get some attention: you couldn't miss it whenever you drove by the dealership.

Our consumer laws are weak, as mentioned in an earlier post, and we have very little recourse if VW ultimately only offers a fix here. While they will probably be very smug about avoiding the cost of a buyback, they're going to upset a lot of people: actions like this might be one of the few ways that we could exert any pressure on them to create a more favourable compensation package.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 05:22   #265
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The decision you are referring to is the judge's decision, not VW's.

VW's decision was to lie and cheat, and their decision on the matter would be to do nothing about it. They'd still be doing it if they weren't caught.

If they don't offer to buy your car back, that'll be because the court didn't order them to. You should blame the judge.

It's the same in the USA. VW didn't decide to buy back the cars. They were ordered to. They aren't doing it because they care about the customers. The judge cared about the customers.

Consumer protection laws in Canada are weak. The judge may have no legal basis to order a buyback if a fix is enough to make the customer whole. We don't have a "lemon law" like the USA, where they have to buy a car back if they can't fix it after a certain amount of time, or however it works.

VW will tell the Canadian judge that they have a fix, the car can be made compliant and the customer will have what they paid for. No judge in Canada is going to force them to do more than that. Can't see it, sorry to say.
I agree with you, and thanks for the clarification on the "decision" aspect: you are of course correct that it is the judge's decision as to what happens here ultimately and not VW's. VW will definitely try to take the cheapest route possible. I'm hoping that the proposed class action has enough bite to force a buyback, but based on the weaker laws here, it may or may not.

It could become VW's decision to offer a buyback if they were to honor the statement made in April that any settlement in the U.S. would be mirrored in Canada. They have to understand that doing the bare minimum in this case, i.e. showing the judge that they have a fix ready (which they do not yet, as it hasn't been approved) and giving owners a few dollars each for their troubles, is not enough to correct the situation. This is a time for going above-and-beyond in order to keep customers happy. However, given their track record lately, they may just, as you said, do exactly as the court requires and nothing more in order to preserve their bottom line.

One question though: I'm curious how many people would actually take the fix if offered here, as there is a lot of mistrust around VW at the moment.
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I would definitely Not take a fix - my car now has much improved mileage, more fun to drive, lots more torque, and I've reduced the risk of large repairs down the road. Why would I allow VW to reverse all that??
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Old July 24th, 2016, 06:08   #268
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I would definitely Not take a fix - my car now has much improved mileage, more fun to drive, lots more torque, and I've reduced the risk of large repairs down the road. Why would I allow VW to reverse all that??
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One of the common approaches to the potential fix is to say "I will just get a tune to undo the fix". In researching my next car, I've been researching into rules around modifications/tuning to vehicles in Canada (specifically Ontario), and there are a LOT of insurance company-specific issues. If the vehicle is modified in any way from factory specs, e.g. CAI, aftermarket turbo, exhaust, and the changes are not disclosed to the insurance company, your coverage can be dropped.

The guidelines are different from company to company, but still a concern. Now, detecting an ECU update, i.e. a Malone tune, would be very difficult but probably could be done if the insurance company wanted to badly enough. This potential issue would make it even less likely for a fix to be acceptable.

Maybe someone with a tune could jump in regarding the insurance coverage aspect?
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I personally am hoping for a buyout because my 2013 Passat is at 65,000km overdue for DSG service and running out of warranty. Even if no scandal I would be looking to trade this car in soon as I work out of town lots and need a "reliable" car on warranty for the wife because she drives Hwy daily. Waiting on the news that's forsure.
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