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Old August 1st, 2012, 06:19   #1
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Here is the much anticipated list for the Show and Shine categories this year. Like in the past couple years, we are moving away from the traditional body platform categories and electing to break the categories up by more of a modification system.

The categories are:


Stock : Within this class, you will compete against cars that are considered as bone stock. Your car will gain points by being in a “out of the dealer” state. If your car is old but it still has all the factory equipment and if everything that broke was replaced with the same OEM parts you will gain more points because maintaining a like new condition on an older car hard and that will be considered in the judging team.


OEM+ : You know you have modified your car but you wanted to do a clean as possible job using all OEM engineered parts that were fitted on other markets or other years even other models ? This class is for you! In this class points are given for upgrades that have been made from better/nicer factory parts. For example: GTI Wheels, Climatronic, GLI Recaros, OEM 11mm pump and VNT17 are considered OEM+ since they are an OEM upgraded part.


Modified : You modified your car and didn’t care about keeping it OEM looking so you installed aftermarket headlights, boost/EGT gauges, Koni shocks, Bosio nozzles, aftermarket wheels, custom exhaust, aftermarket head unit amps and speakers, body styling parts and such. Here’s where you want to be! OEM+ modifications will also be counted if well done and clean but on a smaller scale than the OEM+ class.


Radical : This is the open class of the event. Here bigger is better. You built a custom engine with parts from all over the diesel place? Redesigned the way the body was meant to work or swapped a TDI into a 1960 Beetle? The more you modified the car, the more you will earn points if it’s well done naturally. This is the crazy setups area. Swaps are welcome here.

We are posting this early so you can plan on which category you would like your car to be entered in and start your preparations.


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Since it has turn into a car show Like Waterfest what is the point system? example:
Exterior Quality - 15 points
What is the quality of the bodywork and paint? If the bodywork has been altered, has it been done well? Is the finish just shiny or deep and lustrous? Is the paint smooth or orange peeled? Any overspray, runs, ripples, etc.? Dents? Chips? Are bodykit seams smooth and straight? All panels aligned? Any doors sagging? Bumpers on straight? Glass squeaky clean? All cars should have a perfect cleaning and waxing.

Interior Quality - 15 points
Is everything in good condition or truly excellent? Are the seats perfect and clean or ripped and dirty? Is the headliner intact and tight or drooping and baggy? Are the carpets clean and new looking or dirty and worn? Have modifications, such as gauges or aftermarket seats, been hacked in, or are they professional looking? Are the sun visors in good shape? Door panels? Every piece of the interior should be perfectly clean and prepared; there should be no dirt under the floor mats or junk under the seats. Look at the trunk or hatch. It should be prepared to the same perfect state as the interior.
Mechanical Quality - 15 points
Does everything look neat and well put together? Is the quality of the workmanship good or great? Are there special features that deserve points? Are the systems securely mounted? Do the systems work together harmoniously, i.e. do they appear to flow into one another or are they just shoved somewhere? Is the exhaust system solid, or about to fall off? Are there any fluid leaks? Is the engine compartment perfectly clean and detailed?

Suspension Quality - 15 points
Are tires/wheels/shocks in good condition? Do they look perfect? What is the extent of modifications to the suspension, and are they well done? Front and rear stress bars? Camber plates? Special springs and shocks? Coilovers? Special bushings? Anti-roll (sway) bars? Are the brake calipers/rotors/drums in great shape? If there was a brake modification was it well done? Are the wheels and tires appropriate to the suspension? Are the wheels coated in brake dust? Is the finish of the wheels perfect or are the wheels scuffed? Do the tires shine or are they scuffed and dirty?
Cleanliness - 15 points
This is self-explanatory. Every part of the car from front to back and top to bottom should be clean. Things that should be shiny should shine. Things that should be polished should be polished. This includes the trunk or hatch; the glove box, the grille, the doorsills, and under the floor mats. No fabric or leather should show stains of any kind.
Overall Concept And Integration - 20 points
This is a subjective category that needs some thought. The point here is the total quality of the car in all of the categories above, and how well everything hangs together. A million-dollar paint job with a poor interior does not score high. Full engine work, but no suspension work should not score highly. What you are looking for is a car in the class that YOU want to bring to a show like this, which needs no apologies or excuses for anything. Where all of the modifications are done correctly and equally balanced.
Display - 5 points
You should provide a display documenting the car, showing special systems, recording the work in progress, dressing up the display area, etc. Displays can be entertaining, informative, or both. This is a good place to pick up what may be a crucial number of points. No display, no points.


Also all the cars going to be lumped all together in the categories, correct?
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Points are allocated as follows.

Interior: 20 points
Exterior: 20 points
Under Hood: 10 points
Mechanical: 10 points
Trunk: 5 points
Overall Impression: 15 points
Documentation: 5 points
Cleanliness: 15 points

Criteria for each points category vary among the classes and are clearly defined on the judging sheets.
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Criteria for each points category vary among the classes and are clearly defined on the judging sheets.[/QUOTE]
which are? What about overall concept and integration of the cars for the non stock classes isn't that rated?
Documentation; what is need for that to get rated?
Overall Impression: Who's impression, How is this rated?
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Criteria for each points category vary among the classes and are clearly defined on the judging sheets.
which are? What about overall concept and integration of the cars for the non stock classes isn't that rated?
Documentation; what is need for that to get rated?
Overall Impression: Who's impression, How is this rated?
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STOCK
Interior
Deduct points for worn fabric, broken switches, missing knobs, damaged speaker grilles, sloppy modification work and such. Deduct points for aftermarket modifications such as : radio, GPS, amps, seats or anything that isn’t out of the factory.
Interior score: (0-20)

Exterior
Points off for peeled clearcoat, overspray, rust, droopy trim, dents, and the like.
Exterior score:
(0-20)

Under Hood
Points off for missing/loose components, fewer points off for damaged components (missing battery cover is more points deducted than a dirty cover that is present). A clean engine may, if you wish, be judged highly to offset a missing engine cover. A clean cover, over an unknown engine is not as valuable as a clean cover that is present and has been lifted to show a clean engine underneath.
Under Hood score: (0-10)

Mechanical
Deduct points if the powertrain has been modified with aftermarket parts such as Bilstein Shocks, H&R Springs, Bosio Nozzles, 11mm Injection Pump on a manual, Quaife LSD and such.
Mechanical score: (0-10)

Trunk
Points off for carpeting tears, non-OEM speakers or changers. Use consistency to judge hatchbacks, sedans and wagons to the same standard.
Trunk score: (0-5)

Overall
Points off for obvious non-original items (seat covers, floor mats, shifter knobs, tires and wheels, lenses and lights, glass, and so forth). VWoA accessories of the correct year would not be cause for deductions.
Overall score: (0-15)

Documentation
owner’s manual?, window sticker available?, period advertising? minor points off for none of these.
Documentation score: (0-5)

Cleanliness
Points off for dirt and stains. Carpet, headliner, seat fabric, door jams, engine bay, fenders, trunk hinge areas.
Cleanliness score: (0-15)

OEM+
Interior
Deduct points for worn fabric, broken switches, missing knobs, damaged speaker grilles, sloppy modification work and such. Deduct points for aftermarket modifications such as : radio, GPS, amps, seats or any non OEM add-ons. Add points for high quality fit and workmanship of OEM+ modifications. The more well done and tasteful OEM+ add-ons, the more points.
Interior score: (0-20)

Exterior
Points off for peeled clearcoat, overspray, rust, droopy trim, dents, and the like. Add points for innovative OEM+ exterior additions (OEM Spoiler, OEM Wheels, GLI Trims, GTI Tail lights etc.) if they please you, or deduct points if you think the modifications detract from the whole car or if there’s aftermarket modifications to the exterior.
Exterior score: (0-20)

Under Hood
Points off for loose components, components secured with obviously different fasteners (wood screws, excessive cable straps), aftermarket items like chromed valve breather, aftermarket parts such as K/N filter or missing components. Add points for a visually appealing engine bay and the components within. Add points for OEM+ modifications like PD engine cover mounts on a ALH, 5.5L windshield washer bottle and such.
Under Hood score: (0-10)

Mechanical
Deduct points if the powertrain has been modified with aftermarket parts such as Bilstein Shocks, H&R Springs, Bosio Nozzles, Non-OEM Injection Pump, Quaife LSD and such. Add points for OEM+ modifications to the drivetrain such as GLI suspension, 1.8T Brakes, TT Bushings, OEM 11mm injection pump, OEM bigger turbo (VNT-17 from a PD150), 1.8T pancake pipe etc.
Mechanical score: (0-10)

Trunk
Points off for carpeting tears, sloppy wiring, poor accessibility, subwoofer, amps any non-OEM equipment. Add points for careful and thoughtful arrangement of any added OEM+ modifications such as cargo divider, Gorilla-Gear mat etc. Use consistency to judge hatchbacks, sedans and wagons to the same standard.
Trunk score: (0-5)

Overall
Do the modifications make sense and fit within a theme? BMW parts on a VW or Audi car are not considered alternative OEM modifications. OEM+ modifications should be within the manufactured brand. Consider points based on your opinion of the entire car and its content.
Overall score: (0-15)

Documentation
Is there a listing of modifications or other informational signage? The participant has to detail his/her OEM+ modifications. You don’t have to ask if a modification is done or not, if the participant doesn’t tell or write the OEM+ modifications, he won’t get points for them.
Documentation score: (0-5)

Cleanliness
Points off for dirt and stains. Carpet, headliner, seat fabric, door jams, engine bay, fenders, trunk hinge areas can be examined if viewable. If not viewable, deduct points as if the areas were filthy.
Cleanliness score: (0-15)

MODIFIED
Interior
Deduct points for worn fabric, broken switches, missing knobs, damaged speaker grilles, sloppy modification work and such. Add points for high quality fit and workmanship of modifications.
Interior score: (0-20)

Exterior
Points off for peeled clearcoat, overspray, rust, droopy trim, dents, and the like. Add points for innovative exterior additions, if they please you, or deduct points if you think the modifications detract from the whole car.
Exterior score: (0-20)

Under Hood
Points off for loose components, components secured with obviously different fasteners (wood screws, excessive cable straps) “sore thumb” items like chromed valve breather when everything else is matte black, missing components. Add points for a visually appealing engine bay and the components within.
Under Hood score: (0-10)

Mechanical
Add points for a well balanced modified powertrain. (More HP/Torque needs more traction (LSD/Suspension/Tires) and need more brakes (Upgraded brakes).
Mechanical score: (0-10)

Trunk
Points off for carpeting tears, sloppy wiring, poor accessibility. Add points for careful and thoughtful arrangement of any added modifications. Use consistency to judge hatchbacks, sedans and wagons to the same standard.
Trunk score: (0-5)

Overall
Do the modifications make sense and fit within a theme? Gold color wire spoked wheels wouldn’t be on a drag race car and could be a deduction. Those same rims would be appropriate on a low rider and could be an addition. Consider points based on your opinion of the entire car and its content.
Overall score: (0-15)

Documentation
Is there a listing of modifications or other informational signage?
Documentation score: (0-5)

Cleanliness
Points off for dirt and stains. Carpet, headliner, seat fabric, door jams, engine bay, fenders, trunk hinge areas can be examined if viewable. If not viewable, deduct points as if the areas were filthy.
Cleanliness score: (0-15)

RADICAL
Interior
Add points based on the appearance and quality of the workmanship. An interior at least as good as the original is worth half the available points. Lesser condition is worth fewer points, better than original (your own opinion) is worth more points. If you can’t see it (doors closed, dark tint) you can’t judge it and it gets the lowest score in that category.
Interior score: (0-20)

Exterior
Add points based on the appearance and quality of the paint and trim and glass. An exterior at least as good as the original is worth half the available points. Lesser condition is worth fewer points, better than original (your own opinion) is worth more points.
Exterior score: (0-20)

Under Hood
Add points for a visually appealing engine bay and the components within. Fewer points are added for unsecured components, for components secured with obviously different fasteners, for excessive cable straps, for “sore thumb” items like a single chromed valve breather when everything else is matte black, missing components. If you can’t see it, you can’t score it at anything but the lowest.
Under Hood score: (0-10)

Mechanical
Add points for a well balanced modified powertrain. (More HP/Torque needs more traction (LSD/Suspension/Tires) and need more brakes (Upgraded brakes). Add points for the quality of the swap (if applicable).
Mechanical score: (0-10)

Trunk
Points off for carpeting tears, sloppy wiring, poor accessibility for spare tire access. Consider how this Radical entry will be used. Does it still hope to be a family car? It needs luggage storage. Is it an audio advertisement? Luggage capacity is a lesser priority. Add points for careful and thoughtful arrangement of any added modifications. Use consistency to judge hatchbacks, sedans and wagons to the same standard.
Trunk score: (0-5)

Overall
Do the modifications make sense and fit within a theme? Does the car have a wild paint job and a plain interior? Racing bucket seats and a five point harness yet on cheap tires and steel rims? What is the apparent theme and how well does the whole package fit that? Base on score on your opinion of the entire car and its content.
Overall score: (0-15)

Documentation
Is there a pictorial history or ‘before and after’ of the work in progress? Is there a list of the modifications?
Documentation score: (0-5)

Cleanliness
Add points based on the cleanliness of the car. Wax swirls in the paint? Armor-All overspray on the glass? Carpet, headliner, seat fabric, door jams, engine bay, fenders, trunk hinge areas can be examined if viewable. If not viewable, fewer points for overal cleanliness can be added. Judge the hidden areas as if they were filthy.
Cleanliness score: (0-15)
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Above is a list of all of the classes with the criteria for each category. This list WILL NOT be changing, so this is exactly what you can expect to be judged on. Areas that say "your own opinion" are obviously the judges' opinions. The only part of show and shine that is open to the opinion of people other than judges is the People's Choice Award.

Any questions? Ask Torque_Delight - he's in charge of Show & Shine.
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which are? What about overall concept and integration of the cars for the non stock classes isn't that rated?
Documentation; what is need for that to get rated?
Overall Impression: Who's impression, How is this rated?
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STOCK
Interior
Deduct points for worn fabric, broken switches, missing knobs, damaged speaker grilles, sloppy modification work and such. Deduct points for aftermarket modifications such as : radio, GPS, amps, seats or anything that isn’t out of the factory.
Interior score: (0-20)

Exterior
Points off for peeled clearcoat, overspray, rust, droopy trim, dents, and the like.
Exterior score:
(0-20)

Under Hood
Points off for missing/loose components, fewer points off for damaged components (missing battery cover is more points deducted than a dirty cover that is present). A clean engine may, if you wish, be judged highly to offset a missing engine cover. A clean cover, over an unknown engine is not as valuable as a clean cover that is present and has been lifted to show a clean engine underneath.
Under Hood score: (0-10)

Mechanical
Deduct points if the powertrain has been modified with aftermarket parts such as Bilstein Shocks, H&R Springs, Bosio Nozzles, 11mm Injection Pump on a manual, Quaife LSD and such.
Mechanical score: (0-10)

Trunk
Points off for carpeting tears, non-OEM speakers or changers. Use consistency to judge hatchbacks, sedans and wagons to the same standard.
Trunk score: (0-5)

Overall
Points off for obvious non-original items (seat covers, floor mats, shifter knobs, tires and wheels, lenses and lights, glass, and so forth). VWoA accessories of the correct year would not be cause for deductions.
Overall score: (0-15)

Documentation
owner’s manual?, window sticker available?, period advertising? minor points off for none of these.
Documentation score: (0-5)

Cleanliness
Points off for dirt and stains. Carpet, headliner, seat fabric, door jams, engine bay, fenders, trunk hinge areas.
Cleanliness score: (0-15)

OEM+
Interior
Deduct points for worn fabric, broken switches, missing knobs, damaged speaker grilles, sloppy modification work and such. Deduct points for aftermarket modifications such as : radio, GPS, amps, seats or any non OEM add-ons. Add points for high quality fit and workmanship of OEM+ modifications. The more well done and tasteful OEM+ add-ons, the more points.
Interior score: (0-20)

Exterior
Points off for peeled clearcoat, overspray, rust, droopy trim, dents, and the like. Add points for innovative OEM+ exterior additions (OEM Spoiler, OEM Wheels, GLI Trims, GTI Tail lights etc.) if they please you, or deduct points if you think the modifications detract from the whole car or if there’s aftermarket modifications to the exterior.
Exterior score: (0-20)

Under Hood
Points off for loose components, components secured with obviously different fasteners (wood screws, excessive cable straps), aftermarket items like chromed valve breather, aftermarket parts such as K/N filter or missing components. Add points for a visually appealing engine bay and the components within. Add points for OEM+ modifications like PD engine cover mounts on a ALH, 5.5L windshield washer bottle and such.
Under Hood score: (0-10)

Mechanical
Deduct points if the powertrain has been modified with aftermarket parts such as Bilstein Shocks, H&R Springs, Bosio Nozzles, Non-OEM Injection Pump, Quaife LSD and such. Add points for OEM+ modifications to the drivetrain such as GLI suspension, 1.8T Brakes, TT Bushings, OEM 11mm injection pump, OEM bigger turbo (VNT-17 from a PD150), 1.8T pancake pipe etc.
Mechanical score: (0-10)

Trunk
Points off for carpeting tears, sloppy wiring, poor accessibility, subwoofer, amps any non-OEM equipment. Add points for careful and thoughtful arrangement of any added OEM+ modifications such as cargo divider, Gorilla-Gear mat etc. Use consistency to judge hatchbacks, sedans and wagons to the same standard.
Trunk score: (0-5)

Overall
Do the modifications make sense and fit within a theme? BMW parts on a VW or Audi car are not considered alternative OEM modifications. OEM+ modifications should be within the manufactured brand. Consider points based on your opinion of the entire car and its content.
Overall score: (0-15)

Documentation
Is there a listing of modifications or other informational signage? The participant has to detail his/her OEM+ modifications. You don’t have to ask if a modification is done or not, if the participant doesn’t tell or write the OEM+ modifications, he won’t get points for them.
Documentation score: (0-5)

Cleanliness
Points off for dirt and stains. Carpet, headliner, seat fabric, door jams, engine bay, fenders, trunk hinge areas can be examined if viewable. If not viewable, deduct points as if the areas were filthy.
Cleanliness score: (0-15)

MODIFIED
Interior
Deduct points for worn fabric, broken switches, missing knobs, damaged speaker grilles, sloppy modification work and such. Add points for high quality fit and workmanship of modifications.
Interior score: (0-20)

Exterior
Points off for peeled clearcoat, overspray, rust, droopy trim, dents, and the like. Add points for innovative exterior additions, if they please you, or deduct points if you think the modifications detract from the whole car.
Exterior score: (0-20)

Under Hood
Points off for loose components, components secured with obviously different fasteners (wood screws, excessive cable straps) “sore thumb” items like chromed valve breather when everything else is matte black, missing components. Add points for a visually appealing engine bay and the components within.
Under Hood score: (0-10)

Mechanical
Add points for a well balanced modified powertrain. (More HP/Torque needs more traction (LSD/Suspension/Tires) and need more brakes (Upgraded brakes).
Mechanical score: (0-10)

Trunk
Points off for carpeting tears, sloppy wiring, poor accessibility. Add points for careful and thoughtful arrangement of any added modifications. Use consistency to judge hatchbacks, sedans and wagons to the same standard.
Trunk score: (0-5)

Overall
Do the modifications make sense and fit within a theme? Gold color wire spoked wheels wouldn’t be on a drag race car and could be a deduction. Those same rims would be appropriate on a low rider and could be an addition. Consider points based on your opinion of the entire car and its content.
Overall score: (0-15)

Documentation
Is there a listing of modifications or other informational signage?
Documentation score: (0-5)

Cleanliness
Points off for dirt and stains. Carpet, headliner, seat fabric, door jams, engine bay, fenders, trunk hinge areas can be examined if viewable. If not viewable, deduct points as if the areas were filthy.
Cleanliness score: (0-15)

RADICAL
Interior
Add points based on the appearance and quality of the workmanship. An interior at least as good as the original is worth half the available points. Lesser condition is worth fewer points, better than original (your own opinion) is worth more points. If you can’t see it (doors closed, dark tint) you can’t judge it and it gets the lowest score in that category.
Interior score: (0-20)

Exterior
Add points based on the appearance and quality of the paint and trim and glass. An exterior at least as good as the original is worth half the available points. Lesser condition is worth fewer points, better than original (your own opinion) is worth more points.
Exterior score: (0-20)

Under Hood
Add points for a visually appealing engine bay and the components within. Fewer points are added for unsecured components, for components secured with obviously different fasteners, for excessive cable straps, for “sore thumb” items like a single chromed valve breather when everything else is matte black, missing components. If you can’t see it, you can’t score it at anything but the lowest.
Under Hood score: (0-10)

Mechanical
Add points for a well balanced modified powertrain. (More HP/Torque needs more traction (LSD/Suspension/Tires) and need more brakes (Upgraded brakes). Add points for the quality of the swap (if applicable).
Mechanical score: (0-10)

Trunk
Points off for carpeting tears, sloppy wiring, poor accessibility for spare tire access. Consider how this Radical entry will be used. Does it still hope to be a family car? It needs luggage storage. Is it an audio advertisement? Luggage capacity is a lesser priority. Add points for careful and thoughtful arrangement of any added modifications. Use consistency to judge hatchbacks, sedans and wagons to the same standard.
Trunk score: (0-5)

Overall
Do the modifications make sense and fit within a theme? Does the car have a wild paint job and a plain interior? Racing bucket seats and a five point harness yet on cheap tires and steel rims? What is the apparent theme and how well does the whole package fit that? Base on score on your opinion of the entire car and its content.
Overall score: (0-15)

Documentation
Is there a pictorial history or ‘before and after’ of the work in progress? Is there a list of the modifications?
Documentation score: (0-5)

Cleanliness
Add points based on the cleanliness of the car. Wax swirls in the paint? Armor-All overspray on the glass? Carpet, headliner, seat fabric, door jams, engine bay, fenders, trunk hinge areas can be examined if viewable. If not viewable, fewer points for overal cleanliness can be added. Judge the hidden areas as if they were filthy.
Cleanliness score: (0-15)
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So in OEM+ category your deducting points for all the +'s.
This in my mind, H&R Coilovers or springs which are greater than stock GTI/GLI your being deducted for.
Boost Gauge, EGT Gauge etc would be considered + but your deducted for.
If it fits like OEM and Blends in with the OEM and is of better quality than OEM then you should not be deducted.

That’s what the + is all about, otherwise we would be OEM or Modified/Radical
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