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April 11th, 2012, 20:36
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Originally Posted by migbro
Yes. If crank-cam timing is correct there should be no valve damage.
There's a ton of info here on how to do an ALH timing belt job correctly. Cliff's notes. Replace ALL parts (belt, tensioner, three rollers, water pump) with new parts from a reputable source, replace ALL TTY bolts and other bolts as recommended, use correct tools and proper procedure - see Drivbiwire's excellent DIY.
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This one:
http://pics2.tdiclub.com/pdf/a4timingbelt.pdf
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2004 Cadillac SLS (wife's) 
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April 12th, 2012, 10:43
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April 12th, 2012, 11:01
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Originally Posted by dapickupman
OK guys one more question for now. I found some tools on ebay that run 45 bucks shipped to me. It has the IP pin, cam lock and cam rotator. I know its not a fancy set, but do you guys think this would work ok? Here is an image of a couple of them.  |
So, you've already found Prothe. LOL.
"Set of 3 tools to replace the timing belt on the later TDI engines. The set includes the camshaft lock, Injector pump lock pin, and the timing belt tensioner spanner wrench. I've sold over 1000 of these tool sets with almost no complaints."
That's Prothe alright...almost no complaints. Not. More like almost no satisfied customers.
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April 12th, 2012, 11:11
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Originally Posted by migbro
That's Prothe alright...almost no complaints. Not. More like almost no satisfied customers.
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Kind of like the guy that has never warrantied a battery he sold. Prothe just doesn't answer complaints, therefore they don't exist. They few mentioned are when he accidentally answered the phone.
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April 12th, 2012, 12:25
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In that case, I am guessing NO.........Thanks guys!
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April 12th, 2012, 18:27
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Originally Posted by dapickupman
In that case, I am guessing NO.........Thanks guys!
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They might work, but some prefer not to buy anything from Prothe on principle.
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April 12th, 2012, 20:17
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Ok guys, does this kit look like it has all I need for this timing belt job? 
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April 12th, 2012, 20:49
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Location: Bend, Oregon
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Metalnerd has the complete kit.
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April 21st, 2012, 19:43
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Finally got everything put together and it runs with just a tap of the key! Now, just for sanity reasons, what would be the symptoms of being one tooth off? Nothing seems wrong at the moment, just wondering though.
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April 22nd, 2012, 05:44
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Location: United States
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One tooth off on the injection pump? If that's what your asking the IP has an "injection window" in which it will start. If the IP is in the window the car will start. If you have a no start issue again the TB is the first place to start.
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April 22nd, 2012, 20:53
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Ok, one last question. Is setting my IP timing by computer absolutely needed at this moment? Will anything be damaged if I drive it?(I haven't drove it yet). Thanks Ya'll!
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April 22nd, 2012, 21:07
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Originally Posted by dapickupman
Ok, one last question. Is setting my IP timing by computer absolutely needed at this moment? Will anything be damaged if I drive it?(I haven't drove it yet). Thanks Ya'll!
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Not necessary. Nothing will be damaged.
Your "one tooth off" question is odd. Did you "mark and pray" it? If you do it the right way with the lock tools it's not possible to be a tooth off.
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Last edited by migbro; April 22nd, 2012 at 21:10.
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April 22nd, 2012, 21:19
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no mark and pray here. rotated it twice and checked twice before i ever cranked it. Timing belts have always made me a bit nervous............
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April 23rd, 2012, 05:28
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Northern Minnesota-55744
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dapickupman
no mark and pray here. rotated it twice and checked twice before i ever cranked it. Timing belts have always made me a bit nervous............
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What migbro was asking is if you used the lockdown tools and pinned the IP during the TB change procedure, because if you did you wouldn't be able to be a tooth off. If you just marked the sprockets and belt ("mark and pray" method) its anybodies guess. And just because it turned over OK w/o contact doesn't mean its timed properly.
If you used the correct method and it starts and runs OK, no you don't HAVE to finish adjusting the timing w/VCDS, but until you do you don't KNOW where the timing is really at, nor is it perhaps as good as it should/could be. That would make me nervous. Finish the job!
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2001 Jetta TDI GLS Silver-current driver (salvage)permanently vented-Panzer Plate-Sprint 520s-ScanGauge-CheckTemp III-ZeroStart heater-CAT 2 filter
2003 Jetta GLS Black w/leather (New Project Car) fixer-upper w/broken TB
2004 Cadillac SLS (wife's)
1999 GMC Suburban (It's MN-you need one)
197? Shibura 2cyl diesel 4WD tractor-loader/brushhog (very handy unit)
196? International TD340 Dozer-w/Drott 4-in-1 bucket/back ripper attachment
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May 3rd, 2012, 20:51
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Location: New Mexico
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Ok guys, an update on the golf story: I put the cam seal in wrong and had to pull it all apart to put a new one in. I reset all the marks and it fires up by tapping the key, but maybe its just me, but maybe it is a little bit louder than last time........not a hundred percent sure, but maybe. Also the only code I have pulled out for now is P1248- injection pump deviation. Guessing that it is just the timing needing adjusting? Didn't get this code last time, so it has to be something I did this time. Seems to run fine, and cranks up great, so guessing I can't be a tooth off on the IP, because it wouldn't start at all, correct? any suggestions?
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