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Alternative Diesel Fuels (Biodiesel, WVO, SVO, BTL, GTL etc) Discussions about alternative fuels for use in our TDI's. This includes biodiesel WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil), SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil), BTL (Biomass to Liquid), GTL (Gas to Liquids) etc. Please note the Fuel Disclaimer.

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Old March 30th, 2012, 10:50   #1
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Default B20 Minnesota Biodiesel Mandate

http://www.redwoodfallsgazette.com/n...meet-2015-goal
Not sure if this has already been posted and discussed. If so, sorry. If not, please enter this into the discussion about VW authorizing B20 in their TDIs. Note that Minnesota is gradually increasing the mandate from 5% to 10% on the way up to 20% in 2015. The ramifications for auto manufacturers who sell diesel cars in Minnesota would obviously be clear?
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Old March 30th, 2012, 13:58   #2
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That artcile is outdated and incorrect. MN is not moving to B10 on May 1st, 2012.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 17:42   #3
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Although b4black didn't post his source, he is correct. The implementation of the B10 requirement has been delayed until May 1, 2013.

http://www.yocumoil.com/news/newsite...&newsitemid=49
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Old April 10th, 2012, 08:23   #4
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It still doesn't address the question for people with CR engines that can only take up to B5 (by VW standards). Eventually B10/B20 and so on will be the norm. What will people do in those instances? I think most of us own TDIs for their longevity.

Here in Oklahoma, even B5 is virtually non existent (From my research anyway, please correct me if I am wrong). Taking Loves Country store as an example, they do have some B9-B11 pumps in certain areas around here, but that is already over the recommended B5. I have put 1/2 of B11 in and 1/2 D2 in just to get some some bio through the system, but at some point, with many people not paying attention to the recommended guidelines from VW, this is going to cause an issue.
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Old April 10th, 2012, 09:28   #5
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It still doesn't address the question for people with CR engines that can only take up to B5 (by VW standards). Eventually B10/B20 and so on will be the norm. What will people do in those instances? I think most of us own TDIs for their longevity.

Here in Oklahoma, even B5 is virtually non existent (From my research anyway, please correct me if I am wrong). Taking Loves Country store as an example, they do have some B9-B11 pumps in certain areas around here, but that is already over the recommended B5. I have put 1/2 of B11 in and 1/2 D2 in just to get some some bio through the system, but at some point, with many people not paying attention to the recommended guidelines from VW, this is going to cause an issue.
Assuming VW wants to continue selling diesel cars in Minnesota they will have no choice but to change their stance on the B5 minimum. They have known for years that these changes were coming so I don't see how they will be able to deny claims in the future for cars that were sold under the current B5 levels. I guess we and VW have now have been given another year to see how this plays out.
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Old April 17th, 2012, 05:41   #6
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It isn't a issue of VW changing their stance on B5 as a minimum. They will need to reengineer their fuel systems and after treatment systems. I don't see them spending that kind of money. I believe they are banking on the second generation "biofuels" technology to catch up. Then again I don't see the 2nd generation fuels getting off the ground. The 3rd generation (algae) I believe is the way to go, but that is several years away. http://solazyme.com/ this seems to be the most promising company working with algae so far.
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Old April 17th, 2012, 09:06   #7
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algae is 10 yrs away minimum
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Old April 17th, 2012, 19:09   #8
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Correct... but the government could get interested and make it 20. Think about what the car companies have gone through over the past 10 years. They have been forced to dump extra millions into engineering to meet emissions. The economy has took it's toll. They haven't been able to take a break and let a car make them some money. I don't see VW dumping money into engineering a retrofit for cars in one state.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 07:56   #9
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I guess we and VW have now have been given another year to see how this plays out.
Correct, the B10 mandate has been pushed out, it will not be implemented in 2012.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 21:46   #10
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Illinois has a B5 mandate and any diesel containing B11 or higher is exempt from Illinois state taxes. Try finding straight diesel in Illinois VW needs to address this but when I ask my local VW dealer I just get the glassed-over-eyes thousand mile stare.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 10:50   #11
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You need to talk to the service manager and have them get in contact (or get you in contact) with your VWoA regional representative if you want any sort of cogent response to your inquiry.
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If you don't live local to soy fields or rapeseed fields or Canola fields, it's pointless to run recycled unknown quantity waste stock vegetable oil based biodiesel in your car. There is no way to certify fuel made out of garbage when the base stock is unknown. Forget about it west of the Rockies in the Western United States.
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Illinois has a B5 mandate and any diesel containing B11 or higher is exempt from Illinois state taxes. Try finding straight diesel in Illinois VW needs to address this but when I ask my local VW dealer I just get the glassed-over-eyes thousand mile stare.
No B5 mandate in Illinois. There are still stations with straight diesel. It's pretty much either 11% or 0%. Just make sure the it doesn't have that little blue label on it.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 06:24   #14
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Can't find any non-bio diesel on the Illinois side around St. LOUIS for my 2009 Jetta TDI. Luckily I can drive across the river a ways (15 Miles) to Missouri to fill up. Cum MPG for 54K miles is 39.96.
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 05:32   #15
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Hey Tsegert, We have a simular problem here in Tennessee.I go to walmart the pump is stickerd B5-B11,the next time a new sticker is B5-B10, Friday the sticker was removed completely. Their supplier must have different sources and they are using the cheapest price. Go figure.
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